Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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Also, I really want to see this..

I do have to admit, I didn't get that excited about Closing of Winterland though. THen again, I watched it at like 3 in the morning a couple months ago when I was pretty wiped out. I'll give it another go.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm a ridiculous Godchaux apologist, FWIW.

haven't tracked down that Arista set - 71, eh? I'm more a 72-77 kinda guy, but will check it out - thanks!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, a 72-77 guy! I'm impressed. I'm still trying to get with the Godchaux era. I think it will come to me in due time. Do you have that One From the Vault? That one's pretty good, as I recall.

Yeah, the Ladies and Gentlemen thing is '71 but it's pretty song-oriented. Sort of midway between the psychedelic blow-outs and the Europe '72 stuff. It's a nice, pleasant listen. GREAT version of "Bird Song".

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

im a 73 guy and yah the new dvd is great!!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (sixteen years ago) link

ok, fuck it, Chaki I trust you.. I will watch it again!! It just kind of seemed goofy to me. With the whole dude riding in on a joint at the beginning of the concert. Like, you almost want to shake Bill Graham and the Dead and say, "the 60's are OVER!! Didn't you guys watch 'gimme shelter'??" Plus, the Godchaux. And "Fire on the Mountain" goes on entirely too long. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dead, don't get me wrong, but that 'FOTM' just goes on too long, sorry. But I will check it out again, as I said...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm.. I just started watching it again, midway through the set. You know what? This version of "Friend of the Devil" is really kind of beautiful! Even Donna is kind of endearing right here! Mea culpa.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (sixteen years ago) link

"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

'Two From the Vault' is's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (fifteen years ago) link

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Not Dick's Picks, but...

Does this new version sound better:
Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Mark, I haven't heard 29, but I've heard that show and it is extremely good, particularly if you like the 77-78 style. You really can't go wrong with any show from 5/77 if you like that stuff (I think that period is a little over-rated, but its good). I think the Dick's Picks from Englishtown, NJ in 9/77 (I think it's like no. 21 or something) is a better show, though, so if you want a 77 show, go with that. The 77 NYE show is also shit-hot. (I think that's in the teens somewhere).

And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks. I had heard Phils bass was too high in the mix or something on the reissue.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

It's higher, yeah. I guess whether it's too high is a matter of taste.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks, Scott. Do love 77-78 era, & I like to see a "Scarlet-->Fire" in there somewhere, so maybe 29 is worth a shot (looks like it's the only one of the '77 Dick's Picks to have one).

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I just wanted to point out for people who still don't know it...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GREAT LIVE DEAD RECORDINGS. and Furthur both have plenty of 1st rate SOUNDBOARD and other high quality recordings.

Download these for starters FOR FREE:

1977-05-08 - "one of the best" (5/7 and 5/9 were good, too)

1972-05-26 - soundboard

1977-05-26 - (same month/day as above, but different year)

1977-11-06 - "one of he best"

1970-05-02 - Harpur College (hard to find, but available as a Dick's Pick if you can't find it as a free download)

1971-04-28(?) - Fillmore East

1971 - Port Chester

1969 - Ark

1973 - Pavillion

1978 - Red Rocks









Lots of these are available as soundboard (SBD), just look for it. The Soundboards from 77 were especially high quality.

Sorry the dates are not in chronological order, but I started out doing it highest quality first and then I just went through my discs and chose the best for sound quality and performance. The above represent a good many hours of great live Dead: flub-free, energetic and good singing.

... and YES, I did learn all about bold punctuation from comic books!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

dude you're paying for "dick's picks" though not full shows... no on could edit like dick.

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

The above shows don't need editing, IMO. Some shows do, plenty do not!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

... besides, aren't most Dick's Picks full shows? They're mostly 3 or 4 discers, which is inkeeping with those listed above. Some were highly circulated boots before they became Dick's Picks. I think a lot of what you're paying for is some remastering, but the free soundboard FLAC or SHN shows are so high-quality they often sound like official releases.

As far as paying $$...

I think "Go To Nassau" is just FANTASTIC! "Live Without A Net" is way overlooked, too, although I can see why people wouldn't like it. It grows on you, though.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I totally left out some of the best quality I've found yet (Just downloaded recently and were in my bag):

1977-06-09 - soundboard
1977-02-26 - soundboard
1977-04-22 - soundboard
1969-02-22 - soundboard

all totally killer quality top notch, but I'm not familiar enough to tell apart the 77's yet. I think 06-09 is the one that really is blowing me away lately.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Up above that should say "best quality I've found LATELY" (not "found yet").

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:30 (fifteen years ago) link

you are otm actually

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Listening to a bunch of live Dead recently I've determined definitely my favorite eras in order of preference are:

'77 - '78
'69 - '70

I like the warmer, funkier mid-70s stuff more than the turn of the '70s acid, I guess. Curious if there is anything in the '80s that might interest me. Downloaded a couple of supposedly great shows from '79 and Jerry was already sounding pretty rough.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Looks like you can't download shows from anymore.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Anybody else picked up this Rare Cuts and Oddities: 1966 thing that they are selling at ??

It's incredible: early Dead at their greaser/psychedelic-Tex-Mex best. The fidelity is insane too, it's like these cuts were recorded yesterday. It sounds way better than even the stuff on that Birth of the Dead comp. so crazy. There's a slowed down version of "Cream Puff War" on here that's great, a studio "Standing on the Corner", a version of "Stealin" that has an arrangement that's totally cooler than the one from the 1st single!!!!! I am not shitting you! this version of "Stealin'" is just tough ... it's just incredible. Any 1st album fan (and if you're *not* a first album fan yer nuts, get outta my face) needs to get this at once..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 23 December 2005 06:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been getting into these through digital download at the gdstore (considerably cheaper than the imported CDs here):

Two From the Vault (1968) - really good

Grateful Dead Download Series Number 6 (also 1968)- also very good

but Dick's Pick's 12 (1974) - which is a favourite of Suzy Creamcheese, I think , from another thread - is a soft ultra-noodley show.

Which were the more harder jamming/ rocking years?

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

67-69 are def. the dead's 'hard jamming' years - garcia esp. seemed to play w/ much more venom during this period - check out the jams on tunes like The Other One, New Potato Caboose, Alligator/Caution/Feedback, Viola Lee Blues - i think you'll dig Dick's Picks 22 (a rare 68 show that SMOKES) or the 3 disc 69 Fillmore West set that Rhino have just put out

in his autobiog Phil Lesh sez that 74 (the 'wall of sound' era) was the Dead's finest year musically, and i sorta agree w/ him - personally i like the noodle-jazz stuff they got into round about 72-74, def. post-Bitches Brew rock music (and they cld still get pretty intense when they wanted to - just a diff. sound/emphasis). garcia certainly swapped gtrs round abt 70 and that seemed to make a major diff. to his playing

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The 60's were definately the best era, to my taste. To me the music died with Europe 72, and maybe before that.

I'm looking for the best recording of Dark Star - other than Live/Dead (which is just incredible). Is there another recording that is nearly as awesome, yet different?

Is the Greyfold 1-hour remix any good?

Other One, Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Grayfolded is really nice, you should get it.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Grayfolded actually ends up being two hours I think (2 discs).

And I don't know, '73 Dark Stars are my favorite ('73 was my favorite year). There is a capital Dark Star from one of these '73 DPs ... Dick's Picks Volume 19, maybe? '73 was a great year for Playings and Eyes, both of which are represented well on this DPs.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 21 January 2006 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

What was the consensus on that 11 disk Fillmore West? Or are people still working their way through it?

I bought one but I'm keeping it in shrink-wrapped mint condition as an investment for the time being.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
The jazzy Star on Dick's Picks Vol. 11 (720927) is wonderful.
As are 731111 and 731206 and the wonderful Winterland 740224,
which merges into an equally beautiful Morning Dew.
This is something I probably shouldn't admit, but I'm sad enough to have
a thirteen-and-a-half hour iPod playlist, consisting of Stars from 1968 (single version)
to 891026, when the tune reappeared after a long absence, I think ...

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think. I could be wrong, but the Nighfall of Diamonds release was from a show around that time.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think.
You're right, of course. The audience reaction there is fantastic.
I think the 891026 Star is considered o be one of the best late ones
and it's the only one I've got from that year.
The Rotterdam one (720511) is another favourite of mine.

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Yeah, what happened to archive? Do they only allow streaming now or what?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link

You can download audience recordings but not the soundboards.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Are Dick's Picks history?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Lotta soundboards from this period sound wonky for the first 1-3 songs because they were just dialing in the sounds, people ever actually listening to these was the furthest thing from their mind (as opposed to Betty Boards and audience tapes)

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 30 April 2020 18:11 (three months ago) link

like, here's an AI trying to do "king solomon's marbles":

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 20:21 (three months ago) link

happy anniversary

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:55 (three months ago) link

Wow man! Must check.

dow, Saturday, 2 May 2020 19:12 (three months ago) link

like, here's an AI trying to do "king solomon's marbles":

― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:21 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol, sounds like The War on Drugs!

He Ain't Heavy D, He's My Brother (PBKR), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:40 (three months ago) link

Anyone been listening to the 36 From the Vault podcast? I find it's been pretty useful for me contextualising different time periods for the band as I've only just been getting into them over the last year or so. Also made with the assumption that people who listen to Dead live shows have a lot of patience for fucking around, which is probably fair.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 3 May 2020 08:06 (three months ago) link

The out of tune guitars in the acoustic set of Dick's Picks 8 make me wince.

Duke, Sunday, 3 May 2020 12:41 (three months ago) link

I love the Dead, but I struggle with their acoustic sets.

Duke, Sunday, 3 May 2020 12:42 (three months ago) link

So now Live/Dead" bummer, and what the Hell, man?? I realize we already had the Beyond-Deluxe Complete 1969 Fillmore Concerts or whatever the exact title may be, but can't afford that! Just the reremasted orginal and a bonus show would be fine.

dow, Thursday, 7 May 2020 03:51 (three months ago) link

I love Vol 8. The Viola Lee Blues on that slays.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 May 2020 04:14 (three months ago) link

One of my local record stores just posted on Facebook that a customer has sold them a complete CD set of Dick's Picks.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Thursday, 7 May 2020 11:58 (three months ago) link

xpost - Apparently there's a real dearth of good quality 1970 shows in the vault, which is why they jumped ahead for this '71 Capitol Theatre show.

I figured they would have done something for Live/Dead, but I guess not. My dreams of the '69 Ark box live on.

Meantime, this new Dave's Picks from 6/23/74 at the Jai-Alai Fronton is sounding fantastic and tiding me over. Long been a fan of this show, great to have an official release. The bonus disc from the night before is terrific too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:25 (three months ago) link

That one contains "the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock." I don't think they ever delivered a version of "Around and Around" that I liked, so that is not going to sell me. I'll check it out though.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:22 (three months ago) link

Haha, that's nowhere near the peak of the show, but the "Let It Rock" does slay - I like it better than most of the JGB versions I've heard and it makes me with the Dead worked it into their Berry rotation more often.

It's the "Dark Star > Spanish Jam" and the jam into "Ship of Fools" that are the selling points for me on the main show.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:39 (three months ago) link

(in re: to the discussion above about wonky mixes, etc)

tylerw, Thursday, 7 May 2020 22:45 (three months ago) link

Apparently there's a real dearth of good quality 1970 shows in the vault, which is why they jumped ahead for this '71 Capitol Theatre show.

IMO the whole thing about lack of '70s shows in the vault is overstated. There IS stuff there. Granted not always in the greatest quality or full shows, but some do exist. Enough to fill 2 CDs surely.

Almost certainly, there are a handful more outtakes/alternative mixes in the can that haven't seen release from 1970 as well than what's been officially (Though, in both cases maybe more from the American Beauty era).

I think the reason that '71 show was picked had more to do with it being a full pristine 16-track recorded show (from the run that would become the '71 Grateful Dead/Skullfuck album) than anything.

Personally, I would have rather seen a two bonuses disks of assorted 1970 live rarities, outtakes, what have you, but given the heavy live focus that GDP has had on recent reissues, that was just not going to be the case.

gregorianpants, Friday, 8 May 2020 05:40 (three months ago) link

Oh I don't think you are wrong, I'm just going with the somewhat official line about the lack of '70s shows. I have no doubt they could compile something much better, but they seem to be really all in on the full shows being packaged with these reissues.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

One of the good things about lockdown is that I've been able to get through the extensive live catalogue like never before. I'll soon be racking up a Gladwellian 10,000 hours expertise...

I've finally pushed past '72, and I'm really coming round to see the virtues of '77.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:04 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

feeling like more of a deadhead than ever these days. must be the summer.

dick’s pick’s 12 (June 26 & 28, 1974, providence & Boston) is a new discovery for me. This Spanish Jam is sick!!

brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:18 (two days ago) link

Reading through this thread like YES GIMME MORE
Is there a definitive book/bio for a relative noob?

incapacitant hairdresser society (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 19:22 (two days ago) link

Having trouble setting up some kind of listening plan here too. Tips are surely welcome

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 19:26 (two days ago) link

A Long Strange Trip By Dennis McNally may be deifinitive.

Searching For Th eSound by Phil Lesh was quite good
So was Bill Kreuitzmann's memopir but you might want to be better versed when you read that, not sure how important taht is.

Could do with a new take on the Deadhead's tape comapnion vol 1 now that the full gigs are avaialble and more of tehm.
THought that was good when most of the sets available seemed to be trading incomplete and Dick's Picks hadn't been set up fully yet.
Could be taht something like that is already around? But chronological layout is pretty important I think.

Stevolende, Friday, 7 August 2020 19:28 (two days ago) link

yes thanks a lot, just ordered Long Strange Trip

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Friday, 7 August 2020 20:16 (two days ago) link

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