Let's all admit to our guilty pleasures. It'll make us feel better.

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It's increasingly hard to find guilty pleasures since hipsterism is such that any and all genres will be reclaimed at some point, with varying amounts of accompanying irony. I guess the closest thing would be some of the more familiar classical music in my collection, like Bach's Brandenburg Concerti. In the car however you'll probably catch me rocking out to all manner of songs I wouldn't dare put on the turntable at home--all that top 40 L.A. studio rock that it is never fashionable to enjoy, but which is hardly offensive. It is usually nicely engineered if nothing else.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 2 December 2002 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I listen to lots of stuff other people might be ashamed of totally whole-heartedly: white boy rappers like Mike Skinner, so-called "novelty" bands like They Might Be Giants, even a couple hippy jam bands like Phish...

But the only song I would honestly call a "guilty pleasure" is that new Justin Timberlake song. Even though I know fully well that it is total shite, I simply canNOT keep my body from moving whenever it's on.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 December 2002 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

It seems to me that if a song excites you in some small way then it has made its contribution; no reason to feel guilty. If you enjoy something, why call it shit(e)? The only reason I might be made to feel guilty about something is if it is horribly cliche or passe or simply what someone might expect someone of my demographic to be listening to, which is my own hangup.

However, I often find myself listening to songs that I cannot stand. It's not because I secretly find them attractive; it's the same instinct that causes most people to slow down as they drive past car wrecks. Morbid curiosity. And, it's actually sort of nice when something really rubs me the wrong way (lately it's that John Mayer fellow); I'm reminded that I have taste, and am not just a sponge.

I can't imagine why Missy Elliott would induce feelings of guilt. It's all very wonderfully wry and self-conscious. Something like Nelly and Kelly would seem more likely to induce blushing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 2 December 2002 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nelly & Kelly? I had to guiltily ask my workmates to id that one for me(cue rapid netsearch for clips after my atrocious karaoke of the hook) because I'd been woken when hungover by my ****hole neighbours at 7am on a sunday when they played it at Vol.11. I lay there cursing them as my head throbbed...then, weirdly, i started hoping they'd play it again. And again. And again...They did.

gaz, Monday, 2 December 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do not understand your human emotion of guilt. But people tell me I should feel guilty about liking Alanis, Matchbox 20, Green Day, Hootie, Live, the Beatles and anything else who's sold more than ten records.

B.Rad (Brad), Monday, 2 December 2002 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha, Ian Pooley, i've been liking some of his stuff, but theres this horrible thing in my mind saying "this is horrible bar culture music"!!!

gareth (gareth), Monday, 2 December 2002 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think that my problem is that the guilt i'm supposed to feel in enjoying say van halen, just isn't in evidence at all.

the flying luttenbachers, c minus, and yes of course the fucking champs have done away with any shibboleth of appreciating the black arts for most indie kids.

mike (ro)bott, Monday, 2 December 2002 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

of course there is the "i dream of genie theme"...

mike (ro)bott, Monday, 2 December 2002 23:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

KMDFM. Bad Religion. That Girls Against Boys album that everybody hates, Freak*on*ica.. it's funny, I swear.

daria g, Monday, 2 December 2002 23:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

hmm... somehow this remids me of this concurrent masturbation thread?

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's increasingly hard to find guilty pleasures since hipsterism is such that any and all genres will be reclaimed at some point, with varying amounts of accompanying irony.

My guilty pleasure is liking things ironically.

Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 00:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Guilty mainly because of ILM: some U2.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 3 December 2002 02:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

songs that are genuinely offensive, yet fascinating. Like Guns'n'Roses "One In A Million" or Eminem's "Kim."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 02:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't really have any guilty pleasures, but I guess Slide by the Goo Goo Dolls would be the most ridiculed choice of mine.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 02:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

agh. Interpol.

Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 05:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex Chilton is something I'd show off about listening to! And Bob Dylan. But I know what you mean, though. I am embarrassed that I still like to listen to my Blu Cantrell cassingle. I pretend to be sick of it sometimes.

maryann (maryann), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 06:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

hold on, i quite liked indie rock for about .... oh the length of bakesale.

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 08:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

don't feel guilty listening to anything but i do feel guilty for having the hots for shakira.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 08:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Fixx

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 23:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

i feel guilty for delivering incoherent vaguely elitist rants and expecting people to take me seriously

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 00:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Oh man lately I've got some pretty good ones.

Finch - What it is to burn
The Used - Buried Myself Alive

Kill me now.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

to add to my meatloaf/acdc/anal cunt trilogy -- for lack of a better term, what i'd call "pop-death metal." i.e., stuff like Cannibal Corpse and Cradle of Filth. stuff that real death/black-metal heads (like Siegbran) would roll their eyes and/or laugh their asses off. but i love it anyway!

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

i love how stevie nixed comes off so anti-indie when she was the biggest caesar/orange-black fan in the days of way back...

w/e mmmhmmm
http://www.superlaugh.com/fun/talkhand.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 07:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

i would define guilty pleasures like this - my good friends know i like this stuff, but i would be ashamed to be blasting this stuff out of my car on a summer day. i actually listen to old danzig, old wasp, old cult, a lot of really random hair metal (britny fox, kix, white lion), i love a band called the forgotten rebels who is this really reactionary old canadian punk band, i like white zombie, poison idea, mid-80s alice cooper. i also like monkees ( i own all their albums up to the head soundtrack), old bee gees. probably my absolute worst is i actually feel emotional to good journey songs. i used to try and fight it but i'm too old nowadays to care.

Boss Pooper, Monday, 24 March 2003 07:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Grass Roots/ Strokes/ The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald!

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

OH! and Brandy (shes a fine girl)

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have wayyy too many to even list. So many, in fact, that I'm starting to think I have bad taste. Who thinks that they themselves have bad taste?
I'm talking like Ja Rule duets, here. I know it's bad, but...I can't help it...

praying mantis (praying mantis), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Beautiful South

Esp. the first album.

And Blue is the Colour.


I'll get me coat.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Coal Chamber - seriously
and errrrm Whiskeytown.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Guilt is for suckers!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
REVIVE!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 27 August 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

You could revive seventy of these threads and I'd still not mention my deep, carnal and abiding love of Kula Shaker. Oh, whoops!

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Surely not the second album?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 27 August 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a sick love for 'Hero' by Chad Kroeger, especially the really cheesy quiet bit after the solo. Come to think of it, I like 'How You Remind Me' a lot more than I should as well.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Sunday, 27 August 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: I haven't heard the second album, but the first has a two or three tracks (Into The Deep, Temple Of Everlasting Light, Hollow Man) which I can honestly say are superb. My statement of carnal lust was an exaggeration, however, and, moreover, Passantino bait.

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

HANDS UP ONE SINGLE PERSON SURPRISED BY LOUIS JAGGER'S LOVING NAZI SHAKER?

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 28 August 2006 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

What is a guilty pleasure anyway?

I quite like some of the hits by Spice Girls and some of hits Max Martin wrote for Britney Spears. I also like a lot of Stock/Aitken/Waterman works from the late 80s.

In my world, these are all obviously very guilty pleasures, as people with a proper taste in music aren't expected to like the kind of stuff that is put together by professional songwriters/producers aimed exclusively at the teenybopper market regardless of whether the writer likes that kind of music himself or no.

But for a lot of people on ILM, it seems that is the kind of music they are supposed to like while a "canonical" rock album by a very serious 70s rock group may be considered a guilty pleasure.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG I called Justin Timb a "guilty pleasure" in 2002, oh ILM, how you've grown

captain reverend gandalf jesus (nickalicious), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
http://www.ftrain.com/trope-guilty-pleasure.html

Friday, January 12, 2007
Trope

By Paul Ford

I occasionally read a web essay or a newspaper article where a man—so far, always a man—owns up to the “guilty pleasures”
on his iPod. You've seen this too? Kelly Clarkson, let's say. Or a song by Maroon 5.



The structure of the argument:






  • I, the author, am an extraordinarily intelligent and cool person;


  • But I do listen to music that is considered to be shit;


  • However, this music (pick one):





  • is actually good, and you, dear reader, are too much of a snob too enjoy it; or

  • is not actually good, but despite my impeccable taste I deign to listen to it for amusement.




  • In either case I am awesome.


  • Deerhoof.




  • Over and over editors commission this story. Over and over I read myself into a froth, sketching a mental picture of the essayist
    as a scruffy fucksimper who suffers from chronic index-finger-swelling brought on by speed-dialing through all the music he
    shat onto his 500G jizz-hued iPod. After he gmails his guilty-pleasure opus to his editbot, who will rewrite it into a charticle,
    he heads to the bar to meet a friend and pulls the pod from his pocket. “Bro,” he says to the friend, “you'll never believe
    how much Devendra Banhart I have on this thing. All of the Devendra in the world.” He touches the cool white control disc,
    swirling his finger teasingly, and his friend nods wide-eyed at the flashing list of songs—until finally they reach the end
    of the Devendra listing and wander into Devo, and then, consumed, they run to the bathroom and passionately tug each other's
    beards—“rejoicing in the hands,” it's called—until they both reach mutual, musical ecstasy and cry out from the sweetness.




    But Justin Timberlake is not a guilty pleasure. Putting oven cleaner in your daughter's Similac is a guilty pleasure, or smearing birdseed on your
    balls and visiting an aviary. Having a thing for Sting's lutework—

    caek (caek), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

    athletes with rap singles!

    Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

    Probably Coldplay.

    jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

    Nelly Furtado's Maneater...that hi-hat...

    Alan Bean (Alan Bean), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

    Hm, quite obviously there was a time when this certain LP was a kinda quilty pleasure of mine (tho I hardly thought in such terms 20 years ago), for the simple reason that a couple of my bestest friends truly hated it with vengange, but now I really just like it a lot: Ian Anderson's Walk Into Light. Haa!

    tiit (tiit), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

    fuck a guilty pleasure.

    Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

    Heheh, yeh!

    tiit (tiit), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

    probably most 'real' goth that i'm into. that's mostly just the sisters of mercy and a couple of bands on the projekt label. or, actually, i don't really feel guilty about any of it, because i believe in all artists i actually take the time to listen to, but i do recognise that these artists are uncool or unacceptable or whatever.

    blood bitch (blood bitch), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

    ELO's "Living Thing"
    50 Cent
    Carter USM
    Goldie's "Mother"
    The Beatles

    paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

    Fat Boy Slim

    Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

    California blondes

    factcheckr (factcheckr), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:52 (seventeen years ago) link

    xpost: Me, when extremely drunk (on about 4 cocktails, 2 beers and a shot of absinthe), being driven home at 1 in the morning by my Dad. Stuck on Pulse Demon (quite quietly) and fuck me was it relaxing.

    You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

    dude doesn't fall in lockstep with the indie gestapo, dude. DEAL WITH IT.
    -- tremendoid (kemeti...), January 13th, 2007

    haha cause HOOSTEEN is the ILM rep of the indie gestapo.

    Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

    OTM

    You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

    otm

    tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

    its like a hall of mirrors in this shit.

    Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

    I've seen Merzbow live at Instal, he was great. People were dancing.

    Soukesian (Soukesian), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

    I'm done with the concept of "guilty pleasures" in general. I'm proud and open about my love of Johnny Hates Jazz, Howard Jones, Hambi and the Dance, and Visage, just to name a few artists. Hell, I'm this board's resident Duran Duran maniac. How embarrassing do you think that has the potential to be? Not that I am, obv. If I didn't shrink away from that in 1997, when it was about as cool to be a Duran fan as it is to be a white supremacist in the heart of Detroit, I'm not going to shrink away from it now.

    Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Sunday, 14 January 2007 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

    Girls Aloud - Wake Me Up & Rachel Stevens - I Said Never Again (But Here We Are).

    Guilty.

    Griff Sheridan (Griff Sheridan), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

    xpost

    Was Jack White not around in 1997 then?

    God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

    xxpost

    I, too, love Medazzaland. : )

    Max Blazevic (kitaj), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

    multi xpost

    See Louis? I told you Merzbow wasn't all shock and awe.

    God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 January 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

    I know, but this experience happened about 2 years ago, well before I even knew ILX existed!

    You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Sunday, 14 January 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

    Incidentally, you should hear Merzdub, his collab with Jamie Saft from last year. It's got music and stuff on it. It's beautiful.

    God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 January 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

    Was Jack White not around in 1997 then?

    He was but was very probably listening to '60s/blues records back then, same as it ever was.

    I, too, love Medazzaland. : )

    Aw. You and me, two of ten in the world I'd think.

    Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Sunday, 14 January 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

    Musicmagic by Return to Forever. Probably the most indulgent, wanky, baroque fusion LP ever made, and I love it exactly beause of that.

    Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 14 January 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

    i truly enjoy merzbow, but only in small doses.

    critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Sunday, 14 January 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

    Keane's Under the Iron Sea?
    Great album.

    DavidM* (unreal), Sunday, 14 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

    hmmmm

    the thing is, if something pleases me, i don't really feel guilty about it. that being said, beyonce's new album

    Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

    I hate the too-frequent suggestion that I'm "pretending" to like the handful of prog records in my collection or that my appreciation for Kelly Clarkson is ironic.

    Cause it taint.

    Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 14 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

    haha

    yeah

    but there is SOME truth to that, at least when it comes to me. i mean the thing is, the juxtaposition of prog and uber pop is inherently kind of ironic

    i tend to kitschify pop songs that i like. i mean i think with "since u been gone", kelly clarkson proved that even mainstream pop can hold its own w/ the too cool for schoolers, because mainstream can be viewed as its own brand of indie. it's like, cheesy indie.

    Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, 14 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

    i only listen to music "ironically"

    max (maxreax), Sunday, 14 January 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

    Although I don't believe in "guilty pleasures," there are certainly pleasures that make me think, "I'm gonna have a hard time explaining this one to my friends," like the time I got obsessed with "Sugar We're Going Down Swingin'"

    A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 14 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

    hehe that's a good way to put it

    Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, 14 January 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link


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