When did parents start using leashes on their kids?

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StanM (StanM), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

remember this: the kid is not the only one who would look like a fool :)

thanks StanM!

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

We didn't use a kid leash with our daughter, but I wouldn't criticize a parent who did. I appreciate parents who make an effort not to let their kid run wild and tear shit up.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

My mom bought me a leash when Spencer was wee, but unfortunately, the one and only time we tried to use it (I was opposed) was while we were at SeaWorld, and it was slightly um, elasticized. Cue toddler trying to escape his mother, mother pulling back ever so slightly on tether, and toddler being pulled off his feet and smashing face first into the concrete.

I have yet to forgive her for buying it or myself for using it.

(Although in retrospect, it must have looked pretty funny).

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

even with this leash, if the parents look the other way the kid can still take things off shelves and put things in their mouth etc.

short leash. like I'm having to use with my young dog. Don't know if the choke training collar would also apply.

I do think it looks silly but that's probably only b/c it's something rarely seen. If it were more common, I doubt it would look odd. I wouldn't criticze the parents b/c you don't know what the situation is with their child. There could have been a frightening incident in the past (like with Maria's brother) or the child could have emotional/behavorial disorders that make him very hard to control in public.

whatever. far more distressing to me is when I see a child hit/spanked in public.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they are apalling and a tool for lazy parenting.

OTM

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, of course. i would never compare the two, miss misery. i've actually never seen a child getting hit/spanked in public.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The screaming at or humiliating a child in public bothers me more than seeing the kid get a swat on the ass. (I'm not condoning beatings, slaps in the face, anything of that nature, but a swat on the butt is sometimes merited).

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

yes that would bother me a lot too. I watched a lot of kids get beat when I was a teacher. It was painful on the one hand to see the child upset and hurt but on the other hand they were extremely disruptive/dangerous kids and any help I got in the area of discpline I was grateful for.

I went into teaching anti-spanking and came out unsure about how I felt. But doing it in public (or in front of their classmates/friends) is unneccesarily humilating.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure a kid can find it degrading, maybe only later on. How can a three year old think:"Fuck, i'm being treated like a dog here!!!" I always found it degrading, but now I'm not so sure. What if your kid's hyperactive or what if you have backache? I doubt I'll ever use it though. I always thought this was more a Dutch/German thing to do: I never saw Belgian parents using this, only Dutch or German people. *shrug* Beating in public is however totally wrong. I was very much against it until I had to babysit my cousin for a weekend. After that experience, I realize sometimes the kid just pushes you over the edge.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/pics/93gphillip.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Having momentarily lost my son on a crowded beach, I wouldn't scoff at the use of these things.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I get really scared when I lose my boyfriend/friends/companion at a packed show or something. Maybe I should be tethered.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet your boyfriend would love that ;)

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not necessarily an evil thing. Parents often hold their child by their hand, right, and instead of having to walk double bent if you're a tall mother/father and the child is short it can be convenient with a leash both for the parent and the kid (allows more space- and they have both of their hands free to touch things). And hey, it's ALWAYS wrong to hit a small child, even "a swat on the ass". Ffs, lift them up and hold them when they are misbehaving if they're too small to talk to.

Lisa Lipstick, Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Coming soon: when did parents start using those stupid wheeled carts to push their kids around in?

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Reins have been around forever. I seem to remember that some of the strappy papoose things we've carried our kids around in disassembled into rein - they also attach to some kinds of high chair. If you've got small children who're wanting to start walking in public but are really not into holding hands, or if holding their hand is uncomfortable for some reason, reins are a harmless solution. I think with toddlers it might give them a degree of confidence too sometimes.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

OK SO THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOREVER BUT IM NOT AMERICAN NOR BRITISH!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S NEW TO ME!!!!!

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

And hey, it's ALWAYS wrong to hit a small child, even "a swat on the ass".

I completely disagree.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

My mom isn't American or British, either.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, they dont exist where I'm from and I've never seen them before when I've been in the US or now that I'm living in the UK, or on TV etc. Until now.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

you need to get out more

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(or less, i dunno)

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they are apalling and a tool for lazy parenting.

OTM

OTM my arse. They got cars where you live? My youngest ran about like a nutcase for a few months and had no road sense whatsoever. Giving him a calm sensible lecture is all well and good but it's difficult for him to realise the consequences of running in front of a car. If he wasn't on a 'leash' I would have ended up chasing him everywhere and living in perpetual fear of him being run over. Getting hit by a car might have taught him a lesson, but only if he survived it.

It's easy to say it's my fault for not teaching him road safety well enough. Even if that's the case it doesn't make it right to allow him to be fucking killed.

It's my fault officer, I couldn't get him to understand 'stop, look and listen'.
Why didn't you restrain him?
Because someone on ILX said it was an appalling example of lazy parenting and some other people thought it loked a bit embarrassing. I figured letting the poor kid die was the only option.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

So you're saying they're all over London? Yeah, I must've missed them all the time then.

Too bad cause I probably wont be able to stop when/if I these freakish things again.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

stop laughing*

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

onimo-you could perhaps hold his hand when walking down the street and limit his exposure to high traffic areas, in addition to the constant safety talk? why is keeping close physical contact with your young and admittedly prone to running child so crazy? yes, you may feel like you are 'chasing him everywhere' but i think that's called 'parenting'. placing artificial safety nets around a child will keep them safe in the short run but shouldn't we consider long term solutions that may not come with a simple retractable rope?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

exactly - 'leashing' a child could give them a false sense of security. when they are finally old enough to be 'unleashed', they could run amok with their new-found freedom, unaware of the dangers that exist...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ad hominem arguments are terrible, but have some of you people ever TRIED holding the hand of a toddler hepped up on the excitement of walking in a busy street, whilst ignorant bastards jostle round you on all sides, and you might well have other things going on to break your concentration because you're just trying to do some shopping rather than "parent" your child.

The phrase LAUGHABLY FUCKING NAIVE LACK OF EXPERIENCE would spring to mind here if I was the bolshy type.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The long term solution was teaching him about road safety WHILE KEEPING HIM SAFE IN THE MEANTIME. He is old enough and smart enough now to know better.
You think restaining him by making him walk with his hand constanty above his head is better than letting him walk and feel relatively free whilst keeping a gentle hold of him?

i think that's called 'parenting'
Don't make a sanctimonious arse of yourself.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Bark collars should be mandatory for children in public places. Whenever the little tyke starts throwing a fit or ruining someone else's dinner, give 'em a little shock.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

now you're talkin

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh for fuck's sake, are we really at the "I'm a better parent than you" stage of discussion-board maturation?

Dan (Judging: It's What's For Dinner!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

It would seem so :-(

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

if you are unable to parent your child and shop simultaneously, there are bigger problems than the leash.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow.

Dan (Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Click Here) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Emily, you have no children.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, i do.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you use nappies? Didn't you feel that might artificially restrict their ability to shit? And I hope you don't use those horrid cruel seatbelt things on them in the car.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, she does.

. however, mine is just taking her first steps so i may have to revise that opinion in a few months

Relatively open mind for a nanosecond there, just before she explained to me why I'm a bad man for looking after my son.

xpost

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yow, wow.

I typed a whole answer as justifying circumstances, but I'm out.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i was joking about the open mindedness, of course!

i have one daughter (9 months) and i care for my neice and nephew (4 and 2) 45-50 hours a week. we often go grocery shopping and running errands throughout the day and i never have needed a leash. i don't think that is due to my super human abilities.

and i don't think that anyone is a 'bad man' for using a leash. to each his own. i do feel that it is lazy and it is not necessary. sorry if i have crushed your self esteem.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

My self esteem is fine. I have two amazingly well developed children despite my appalling and lazy parenting skills. I may have another one, and keep it in a cage.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

AWESOME

Dan (Suck On That, BF Skinner!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think that anyone is a 'bad man' for using a leash. to each his own. i do feel that it is lazy and it is not necessary.

The conjunction of these two sentences made my head blow up.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think there's anything super-bizarre about this, mostly because -- so far as I can tell -- it usually gets done for kids who've already displayed some sort of tendency to run off or get lost, some sort of behavior that requires something a little insurance beyond just attention and training. Around 80% of the time I've seen a kid in one of these things, the kid is kinda zooming around in a blur of activity even despite the parent following along at full attention trying to keep everything calm and behaved. It's quite easy to say "well raise your kid so they're not like that," but, you know, c'mon.

I say that granting that in the other 20% of cases you will, yes, see either (a) the sad spectacle of a perfectly orderly kid nonetheless tethered, presumably out of paranoia, and sometimes at disturbingly advanced ages, or (b) worse, the parent who stands there having a long conversation or paying attention to something else entirely, while, at the end of the leash, the child runs around raising hell. (I guess people do this with very small dogs, as well.) Which is dumb, for the obvious reasons, and also dangerous, because relying on the leash as some kind of magical protection will, yeah, not keep the kid from eating thumbtacks, punching strangers in the nuts, or trying to hug vicious dogs.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually not out yet...

There is a day care close to DU, in the mornings I see them taking the kids for a walk on the low traffic semi-urban sidewalks when the weather allows. These are 3 year olds it looks like They are either holding onto, or somehow affixed to a 10 yard long run of webbing, 2 abreast by maybe 8 kids long. I'm here to say. One kid on a leash: demeaning oppression. 16 kid toddler chaingang: TOTALLY TWEE-DORABLE! Will add, they always seem happy enough. Now MUSH!

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

because anyone who is lazy is bad?


you should attach a hamster water bottle to its cage and i am sure it will thrive.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Assuming a very short type leash/loop attached to kid very close to parent, how is that really any different from holding the child's hand, except in that it is easier on the spines of taller adults?

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I guess discomfort is probably part of it. My leash (wow) was probably six or eight feet long, judging by pictures. So I was afforded at least the illusion of independence, I suppose. Likewise, my mother and father could walk along without getting sore shoulders or be constantly interrupted by their little ‘consequence.’ I think it was a fairly happy arrangement overall. I was very young, I was happy (so they tell me).

It probably is marginally less safe than holding hands, but if the adult is spending half the time shaking the feeling back into their arm then holding hands isn't really comparable.

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 05:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I use a leash/harness/reins on my one-year-old. He has just learnt to walk, wants to walk all the time, and yet regularly falls flat on his face. Since we have wooden floors, that's positively dangerous. With a leash I can pull him back on his feet before he falls. Actually, he's starting to walk a bit better now, and he's also started to put his hands forward so he doesn't fall directly onto his face, so maybe I'll be unleashing him soon. They may look weird, but they're incredibly practical for babies learning to walk.

Revivalist (Revivalist), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revive! I saw a kid on an actual leash a couple of weeks ago. Like actually tethered round its wrist - not like a reins-type affair like this:

http://au.geocities.com/safety4baby/images/ToddlerReins.jpg

but just like a dog-leash.

This was at the football on a busy staircase where 34 year old me and 35 year old Onimo once got separated by the crowd, so, yeah, still necessary for hanging onto toddlers you don't want disappearing.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Does Onimo keep you on a leash when you go to the football now?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, because I'm big enough to look after myself (most of the time). But this thread still makes me chuckle to myself whenever I see kids on leashes, like they should be forced to be separated from their parent in a busy situtation just because it might give them a complex.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I think it's pretty ridiculous too, but then someone posts something like this and you can hardly argue with that...

I used to think leashes were absurd, but when I read shit like this it makes me think otherwise.

-- Andrew (n...), June 28th, 2006 3:27 AM. (enneff) (link)

(Except, what are the chances? Do they really justify being paranoid 24/7?)

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

No-one keeps their kids on a leash / on reins 24/7, stop being ridiculous. But, in crowds, or when kids are liable to put themselves in danger, and holding their hand isn't an option, there is nothing wrong with them.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Incidentally, is emilymv still around? Your kid walking yet? You coping alright?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it has something to do with the rise of industrialization and wars in general.
Fear. Which is why those of us who are a bit older love reminiscing about our parents shoving us out into the bitter cold to ride bicycles without helmets. And skate on dicey ponds. And gather bloodsuckers and crickets as friends.
And then call us back to home to eat...meatloaf!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 28 January 2007 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe this thread is back! Are we all going to reiterate what we said several yards upthread? I'll restrain myself. With a leash, if necessary.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, yeah, I've re-read the thread now, I won't be reiterating anymore.

"stop being ridiculous" eh? ok then ;-)

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I say keep 'em tied up at all times.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/372087383_2b726fa5b2.jpg

onimo (onimo), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow! That's one cute baby.

jennyjennyjenny (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw, is that Megan? She got big!

(I just came across this on random, and wanted to mention about the kid I saw on a leash in a necessary situation. Anyone wanting to reiterate themselves, feel free. I stand by everything I said upthread)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG my parents had that exact same rainbow strap kiddy leash for me when I was little. I can't remember them ever using it but I guess they must have. But kids can be so bad, leash all them shits and let god sort 'em out.

A B C (sparklecock), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

My parents used reins on me when I was small - until I was about 4, I guess. "Reins" and "leash" do make me think of different things, though - reins are what you attach to a harness, a leash is a single strap that attaches to a collar.

The humiliation aspect: I remember my mum looking after a friend's kid, aged about 5 or 6, and threatening him that if he didn't behave when walking home from the village, she would put him on the reins (which she'd kept from when I was small). She only had to take them with her and show him, for him to immediately start behaving himself.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link


That is one cute leashed baby, Onimo!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i got real drunk and blacked out at disneyland 2 nights ago. i ditched my friends and no one could find me then i apparently went into space mountain line and started cussing people out and tryed to start fights and got kicked out. leashes can be handy.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I still feel all wound up seeing people using the word 'leash' because for me its connotations are:
1) dogs
2) S&M
Both are a touch inappropriate when you're talking about children!

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 29 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I like reins better because they remind me of reindeer and santa.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 29 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

No-one keeps their kids on a leash / on reins 24/7, stop being ridiculous.

Sheesh, Ailsa, you always take people seriously,don't you? He said:"(Except, what are the chances? Do they really justify being paranoid 24/7?)" He wasn't talking about leashing the kid all the time. Or maybe I didn't understand correctly...

Anyway, use whatever you want if it means keeping your kid safe. A leash will hardly hurt a kid (emotionally nor physically). People should give it a fucking rest, what with pushing their opinoins on others thinking that's the way it should be. Parenting is a hard job, an accident can quickly happen. If a leash can prevent that, why not use it?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

If not leash or reins how about a monkey harness?

We have one of these! Flickr friends will know how adorable Ava looks in it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link


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