what's the deal with guys who insist on sitting with their legs spread far apart even when they're like sitting in coach on an airplane and there's fuck-all leg room in the row?

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I think this really has little to do with your junk and much more todo with the way your calves are shaped. Sitting with my legs completely paralled gives me the world's WORST leg cramps, rendering it extraordinarily difficult to stand. So, you have a choice; occaissionally brushing against my leg as you set next to me or flinching in abject horror when I lurch to my feet and fall over, firmly planting my buttocks in your face.

(Having said that, I think my leg angle is about 40 degrees so you probably aren't talking about me.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Standing beats sitting anyway

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is this even an issue????????? Of course these people are dicks. I have fairly long legs also!

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice heels, btw.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Pezza = otm

chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

occaissionally brushing against my leg as you set next to me or flinching in abject horror when I lurch to my feet and fall over, firmly planting my buttocks in your face.

Next week on Flirt With Dan Perry 101, we'll be concentrating on legal and criminal problems you may find affect you.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(Haha guess who got 4 hrs of sleep last night? Jeebus.)

TypoMonstah Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The Male Leg Spread is one of those human behaviours worthy of David Attenborough running commentary. It's also something that manages to annoy every woman on the planet.

Anna and I are both small compared to men like these and I think it's the oppressive physicality (Hark, sirrah! Put thine gusset away!) that causes the discomfort, plus there is no polite way to tell a stranger to close their legs. So phrases like 'I bet you think your bollocks are little lungs' do tend to pop up, along with HAS YOUR COCK BREATHED ITS LAST?

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It has never occurred to me that my nuts might be lungs.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

But next time you're sitting around at home really stoned (*), listen. You can really hear them breathing.

* - I suspect Dan does not in fact do this very often if at all.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Also they taught me in Riot Grrrl 101 that colonising space meant for others is just such a patriarchal thing to do and that's why society wants women small, thin, unobtrusive - so as not to be seen taking up space which men try to then own on a psychological/anthropological level whewn there is space to fight for.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

*pats Suzy on head at her ability to grasp concepts

chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Christ, Suzy, what you just posted there has just caused a massive burst of understanding in my brain. So this is A Certain Boy actually finds rubbish like empty boxes and broken electronics more important than ME ACTUALLY BEING ALLOWED TO HAVE A ROOM OF MY OWN.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Does this mean that my g/f having the spare room entirely to herself make a New Mang [no] ok thx bye.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not extrapolating to anyone else's situation. Something has just clicked in my brain about what is going wrong in *my* situation.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I see more women than men driving huge fucking SUVs, Excursions/H2s/Expeditions/et al. than men.

The colonize way more space than anyone airing out his junk.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, let's end this thread NOW.

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

This is also a dud. Like a soccer mom needs an Excursion to haul groceries or take her kid to school. They're probably married to the ostentatious ball-airers.


x-post

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate, I don't think packrattage is the same thing at all otherwise I'd be in serious trouble on that front too.

*pats Chris on the head for understanding concept simplified because it was expedient to do so*

Milo: women be drivin' SUVs!

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's not the packrattage that's the issue. It's the blatant refusal to share space. And packrattage is a control issue in and of itself.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Were Riot grrrrls the easiest sub culture to wind up ever by the way?

chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Broken electronics are great though!!!!

WOLF EYES (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Broken electronics are shite. The only purpose of experimental electronic artists in this world is for them to suck my toes. The end.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The default minimal-effort sitting position for men is with legs apart - that's just how they go. I suspect 90% of these annoying males (who annoy the tits off me too btw) aren't doing anything consciously or subconsciously, it's just what's comfortable. Doesn't excuse it though.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The default sitting position for humans is with their legs apart. Girls get trained from a very young age that that isn't "ladylike". We don't naturally sit with our legs together or crossed, we've *learned* to do it, discomfort or no. So you males can bloody well LEARN to keep your knees together when sharing space with strangers on public transport!

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the absolute lack of thought or consideration that makes it so fucking annoying though!

"I am MAN! I need and deserve SPACE. Cower and be CRUSHED tiny female."

Anna (Anna), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

That's what I said, Kate, only without shouting :P

The solution is to spread your legs but only as far as the arm-rests.

(when I drive my moped in the winter, I keep my legs tightly closed to minimise freezing them off. My muscles really ache afterwards, regardless how short the ride it)

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

We're talking about the ones who make no effort to adjust themselves to accomodate another person because it's discourteous first and unsettling on a 'who's got the phallus?' level second. I think you can assume that a male passenger who does not make some movement to acknowledge another person's presence, even to say 'I'd move these legs but feh, the legroom' is at best inconsiderate and at worst an utter tool (of the patriarchy haha).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

how about "excuse me, could you move in a bit?" as a way to ask somebody to close their legs politely?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely the phallus-imposition ("Nobody expects the phallus imposition!") is more aimed at the person sitting opposite - isn't it?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Nono Sterl, going for the "YOU HAVE LUNGS FOR NUTZ" gambit is the most rational response.

I'm imagining the breath support I could manage if I was smuggling lungs in my jeans. FINALLY A USEFUL BODYMOD.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fuck the diaphragm, breathe from your lungnuts!"

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Unfortunately Perry's method of circular breathing required him to sing perched on a swivel chair."

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Sterl: because it's something people get sick of asking for, because when the situation is me sitting and I'm about to be joined on the shared seat I always shift up a bit in acknowledgement/anticipation of sharing. Very few ball-airers do this.

Mark: hahaha yes that's true as well. Nothing like seeing some profusely sweating lawyer with perspiration stains across the gusset of his suit trousers to remind me that HE'S GOT THE PHALLUS.

(we're all at the same place WRT the difference between penii and The Phallus, right?)

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Aha, the penii drops...

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a phallus-cy.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

phallus is the mindkiller
phallus is the little death that brings total oblivion
i will face my phallus
i will permit it to pass over me and through me

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan: Lungnuts v. Wingnuts FITE!

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly the answer is to wear a short skirt and strap-on while on the tube. So to speak.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha "on the tube"!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a joke about level pegging in there somewhere but...no, it's gone...

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorites are the guys who SLOUCH REAL LOW and spread their legs out to 120 degrees, like their crotches are Penis Flytraps.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Do they have trousers the same material as the seats?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

we're all at the same place WRT the difference between penii and The Phallus, right?

Women be the phallus!

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Sitting with my legs completely paralled gives me the world's WORST leg cramps

erm, hi. as the person sitting next to you who HAS to sit with her legs closed, i gotta say ME FUCKING TOO. thanks for the consideration, pal.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Any time! *stretches out, gets comfortable*

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Such pervertalism.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

and there's a definite double standard here b/c a woman would NEVER EVER EVER get away with sitting legs akimbo; she'd be called a selfish filthy whore and she'd probably get arrested for indecency.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Well yes, if she was sitting with her legs apart and was firing exploding pellets out of her vagina at the people across the aisle, she would most likely get arrested.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - In Victorian London, you are correct.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate when you drop your table down to eat the disgusting flight food and as it vibrates the person in front of you looks around crankily. WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY THINK YOU'RE DOING, HAVING JUST DONE THE EXACT SAME THING THEMSELVES.

Also "jokers" who make comments about the flight crashing or go "oh god" JOKINGLY when anything makes an odd noise. They are not scary, they are not funny, and they deserve severe pain. ignorant twats.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

because where the fuck else would it go!!! would you rather it floated in limbo for a five-hour flight?? do you want to do that thing where your arm divots into your lap so it looks like you're reaching into your crotch for loose change/assorted bricabracs?? NO FUCKING WAY DO YOU WANT THAT!!

um, i usually just end up folding my arms/hands towards my torso because there isn't enough elbow room anyway. it's really uncomfortable because i have FUCKOFF MASSIVE TITS OMG PHEAR MY ESTROGEN but i don't make that anyone else's problem.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha I am buying ridiculously baggy pans, filling them with popcorn, and sitting next to ET on every flight he takes from here on out.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha senor lungballz was wearing baggies as it turns out

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't mind armrests that much, but often I'll be seated next to someone who sits like a linebacker with their elbows sticking out and as a result of the geometry they're elbowing me in the gut.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha I am buying ridiculously baggy pans, filling them with popcorn, and sitting next to ET on every flight he takes from here on out.

I'm pretty thin, so this isn't that big of a deal, but I will first strike on the armrests should you dare to invade my personal space.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Also what's the deal with men who *show their ankles* -- a woman could NEVER get away with that!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I will also wear gigantic comedy water wings.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I am torn sometimes between the feeling that everyone should be treated as equal on a plane and the feeling that people should be charged based on the amount of room they will take up

I am not torn between that any longer, since I take up about 2/3rds of the width of an airline seat and inevitably get the great "oh since your ass isn't taking up the entire seat and mine takes up more than one seat I'm just gonna start inching over a bit and makin' mahself comfortable" psychological experience (this is actually inexplicably WORSE on Amtrak, which has bigger seats so it makes no fucking sense at all that someone would need to take up all that space). The only problem is that this doesn't predict the occurance of the average sized man who wants to spread every part of his body out everywhere, but I have only once had a problem telling one of those dudes to please stop kicking my purse so I just don't really think about it much.

Allyzay, Monday, 14 June 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to have Expando-Cheeks(TM) installed so that as the elevation shanges and the cabin attempts to pressurize as compensation, my ass just gets bigger and bigger until it knocks my seatmates into the aisle. I will then point at them and laugh as I place my gigantic lungnuts on their seat, which I will have claimed as sovereign territory.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Have fun at the TSA checkpoint!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

OH I WILL

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
"lungnuts" - testicles which can walk on land?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

paging Amy K3lln3r.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link

man, fuck all the women upthread. You try sitting with your legs jammed in your face.

Now imagine your nipples are being crushed with a vice between your legs.


DIIOTODIS!

LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

My God, sleep deprivation does odd things to me.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

dude JW I defended your kind.

Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

Too bad Jefferson didn't add this to his list of indictments in the Declaration of Independence

Also this thread manages to completely ignore the real villains; the capitalist space hoarders who don't provide ppl enough room to sit comfortably on various forms of transport.

i am not a large person but i find the CTA seats (especially on the newer trains, which are awful) uncomfortably small. there have been instances where someone will attempt to sit down in the seat next to me and more or less sit directly on my leg.

clouds, Friday, 25 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link

i have to sit like this to fit in the seat even on the airplanes that supposedly have more legroom than the norm

ciderpress, Friday, 25 April 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

I've had this "discussion" w/my gf. I cross my legs alot (which can be even worse space-wise and I avoid it on crowded transport) but is it cool if my knees are no wider apart than my shoulders? Sometimes the nads are sensitive and prone to pain. I don't want to be the db who imposes on someone else's space but can I get credit for a couple extra inches of knee space for appendages that womenfolk don't possess or is that bad? God knows I've had some bosoms (and God knows what other appendages) pressed into my back on crowded evening buses and I've made exceptions for things which aren't voluntary.


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