Peanuts: Search and Destroy

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The new hardcover coffee-table collection of Schulz's artwork (shot from his original art and from strips clipped out of vintage newspapers), put together by Chip Kidd, is astonishing--and has lots of hysterical strips I'd never seen before. "I'm aware of my tongue" has become a catchphrase in this household.

Schulz is also notable as one of very few daily cartoonists who gets much funnier in large doses.

Douglas, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that book is beautiful, i love the strip where lucy says they should get beethoven's birthday off from schol because 'he never supported hitler!'.

ethan, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY

Josh, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So did you see the big Snoopy yet, Josh?

David Raposa, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Now, David, I have already been to the Mall of America once, briefly. Why on earth would I want to go back?

DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY

Josh, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Mall of America is the coolest place ever. There's an AMUSEMENT PARK in the middle of it, fer crissakes! That alone would be enough to win me over, but it's also got one of the best flume rides I've ever been on. Add in the bars on the 4th floor, and you've got yourself a winner. I wholeheartedly applaud shameless pandering to humanity's crasser consumer instincts when done correctly.

As far as "Peanuts" is concerned, I wouldn't have learned to read so quickly had it not been for Charles M. Schultz, so CLASSIC. Search: Linus, Peppermint Patty, Franklin (WOEFULLY UNDERUSED BROTHER), Marcie, Sally. Destroy: Snoopy's ugly-ass brother, Spike. And Violet, because she was the poor man's Lucy.

Dan Perry, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The new book is indeed fantastic. There's one page showing a completely emotionally thrashed Charlie Brown tearing himself apart near Lucy, and as that's about how I felt in ways the other day, I more than identified.

Josh, alas, is confused, poor man. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I HEART the Peanuts, but you guys already knew that, right? Let me add to the chorus and say the Chip Kidd book is OBSCENELY BEAUTIFUL, the kind of book you feel guilty for smudging with your fingerprints. (The idea that Chris Ware obsessively collected strips is so adorably geeky, isn't it? I want to marry him.)

Lately I've noticed that a lot of the Peanuts anthology books have slowly become completely unavailable, perhaps even out of print. Hopefully this and the Chip Kidd book are the prelude to the release of a Compleat Peanuts collection of books where every strip Sparky ever did is reprinted, in chronological order and in color (where applicable).

The 70's, 80's and 90's Peanuts strips are nowhere near as bad as anybody says they are. The humor is awfully dry, I admit, but it's there.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, the 90s ones are pretty terrible. Some are good in that "William Shatner performing "Rocket Man" as a spoken word tone poem" sense, but most are just terrible. (I have a slew of these strips hanging in the guest bathroom, courtesy of the previous tenant of my condo - trust me, they're BAD.)

David Raposa, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
How did I ever miss this thread? Peanuts is my life!

I'll have to stick up for the Red Baron sequences, at least the original ones in the '60s. Yes the emphasis on Snoopy and Woodstock in later years and downplaying of Charlie Brown (and Lucy, who pretty much became a nonentity except for the football episodes) was depressing. But, I still think the idea of a dog pretending to be a World War I Flying Ace (flying a SOPWITH CAMEL, yet, and somehow knowing the names of all the French towns he's flying over) is the most bizarre idea ever to hit the comics. It makes Calvin and his pseudo-Buck Rogers fantasies look positively normal.

Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think later Peanuts (say post-1970) is undervalued and over- criticised, and I found an article last week that agrees with me in the latest (I think) Comics Journal. Hooray! Proof that I'm right!

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
The Peanuts strip jumped the shark big time when our local newspaper began to run reminders with Peanuts characters reminding everyone that it was "Only so and so shopping days until Christmas". This was back in 1975, I think.

Wasn't the message of the show A Charlie Brown Christmas about "the true meaning of Christmas" as opposed to commercialism--that is, shopping, for example? Of course, with all the Snoopy dolls, and comic strip collections and games and greeting cards and everything else, we must realize that the "true meaning" is to go out and buy!

I think the strip also began to quit emphasizing the holiday at that time as well.

But the writer (or writers) went through the same plots of Lucy yanking the football from Charlie Brown, of Charlie Brown losing ballgames, etc. even as Snoopy got lost in the desert with his brothers. The new stories didn't make sense and the old ones were worn out. Worse, one wonders if any of the newspapers actually had the guts to drop the strip in favor of newer strips.

The strip had become a narcotic. Had it not been there, perhaps more newspaper editors and readers would have demanded change. But they remained set in their ways--and too many still do. We should be thankful that a few papers have dropped the Peanuts comic strip, but that number is too few.

Joel Bader, Monday, 23 September 2002 02:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you seriously think that if editors drop reruns of "Peanuts" (which, by the way, is no longer being produced: Charles Schulz - the only man who EVER wrote or drew the strip - died a few years ago) some brilliant new comic strip is going to come along to take its place? Why not drop "Family Circus," "Marmaduke," "Nancy," or one of the other 50-year-old comic strips out there that no one reads?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 September 2002 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Joe Shlabotnik, natch.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justin Dillingham, who suggested dropping such comic strips as "Marmaduke", "Nancy" and "The Family Circus", might have something there. I'll go further and suggest that perhaps the funny pages should be overhauled altogether or even dropped. Such an action might just be the wake-up call needed to get better comic strips. If there aren't any new strips that appeal to a large number of readers, then the funny pages are going to be dropped anyway. Sooner or later, the readers are going to realize how lame many of the comic strips are and are going to demand that something else replace them.

Joel Bader, Monday, 23 September 2002 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

The comics pages should be nothing but Peanuts, Doonesbury, Dilbert, The Boondocks, For Better Or For Worse, Get Fuzzy, Foxtrot, Adam and Sylvia.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

joel you're almost as bad as josh!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

this just in: Nancy and Family Circus lame shocker

They are great because they are lame! They make the other ones seem funny.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

nancy is one of the great pieces of concept art of the 20th century.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

and i haven't even gotten to the comic strip yet!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

(oooh, tough crowd.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, I kept inadvertently making precisely that same substitution in my head whenever you brought up Nancy on the comics thread.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I vote for Dan as comic strip syndication president. Well, ok, he might want to add Calvin and Hobbes to be sure of getting my vote, but Get Fuzzy and the Boondocks = YES. (Boondocks? R in liking comic not containing any felines shocker!)

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is Calvin and Hobbes still being run in newspapers? Because that should certainly go in (as long as we all agree that the slash story NEVER SEES PRINT).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

You are a wise man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone who likes Nancy should write to the caretaker of her legacy, Guy Gilchrist - at guy@gilchriststudios.com - and express your support for a coffee-table Nancy book. He wants to do it but his publisher doesn't.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha i suddenly got this image of "Guy Gilchrist, caretaker" as this olver twist-ian headmaster. ("MORE?!?!", etc.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

(as long as we all agree that the slash story NEVER SEES PRINT).

Am I missing something?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you are, you're happier that way. I'd find you a link but the thought of seeing it again even for a second is just too horrific.

(+ I thought old C&Hs were being reprinted in newspapers, but maybe I'm wrong.)

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 23 September 2002 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Such an action might just be the wake-up call needed to get better comic strips.

I sincerely doubt it...newspaper publishers don't like the comic strips in the first place because they take up valuable space that could be used on ad pages. This is why the size of the comics has been shrunken down so much over the past 15 years or so. If the current comic strips were done away with they would not be replaced. Esp. since the readership for newspapers in general has aged so much.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Right you Americans, tell me what the Snoopy dance is ACTUALLY meant to be as I only know Xanders interpretation which is possibly the best thing EVER (although maybe I am saying that because the episode is extremely funny ha ha) nevermind.

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Where's Willie Hearst when you need him?

B:Rad (Brad), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bring back Thatch and Bloom County! Trade FBOFW for Zippy! And how can you forget Stone Soup and Non Sequitur and Bizzaro that one w/ the gawky kid.

Gil Thorp has REALLY gone in the shitter. It's barely literate! (And no points for the Orel Hershiser guest appearance!)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wasn't sure how others would respond to Stone Soup (which is like old-school FBOFW, if you think about it) and Non Sequitur (which is the poor man's The Far Side), but I did consider them.

Zippy is godawful. Sorry.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always wished there was a incident where Zippy gets stoned to death and his brains leak out of his bald head. Then, just maybe, it would be funny.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are we talking about Zippy or Ziggy?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does it matter?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

For some. Not necessarily for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

The way I see it, Zippy = newer Peanuts. Same sort of Bizzaro World logic (including the, um, "sense of humor"), but w/out the baggage (that is, switching from the precendent set by previous Peanuts strips to some sort of strange zen-like state of contemplation). Zippy can do it BECAUSE that's been the strip's MO (as far as I can remember); Peanuts can't (at least, the way Schulz did it).

The same goes for Funky Winkerbean's transmogrification into a Melrose-Place-for-geeks cesspool. And regardless of FBOFW's past, turning into a hybrid of Mary Worth and Hi & Lois didn't do a damn thing for me. There's the "funny" page, and there's the "serious" page - STAY ON THE FUNNY PAGE DAMN IT.

Example of newer Peanuts (as seen on my bathroom wall): Lucy & Charlie on the pitchers mound. Lucy sez, "Here's the roster for the other team: Francis, Horatio, Ludwig, Chandler, Francisco, etc etc etc" - all these "unique" male names. Fourth panel - close-up of Charlie, wistful expression (akin to the "rapturous contemplation" look found in every damn FBOFW strip, but, y'know, Peanuts style), and he says, "No one's named Bill anymore." Um. Five cents, please?

Add to my list: Zits, Monty (PKA Robotman), Liberty Meadows, Soup to Nutz, and Rex Morgan MD (as long as Graham Nolan is the artiste).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Zits must be kept in the comics. Even though it's declined recently, for a while the writers had a great run going, where every strip would be insightful or funny, and often both.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like the one with dogsh and catssh!! there's no jokesh really, just twee little happenshtances.

speaking of twee i don't much like the jokes in "rose is rose" but the art is AMAZING.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Zippy (the pinhead, yes, not Ziggy) is just written by a guy who has drunk a whole case of Miller Lite that has gone bad and thinks that his insights are really deep. Pass.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.lambiek.net/artists/mcdonnell/mcdonnell2a.jpg

Aw yeah, Mutts is nice.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 00:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Brr. Mutts always pissed me off, I freely admit. Not so much its tweeness as its...well, hard to say, but they were so relentlessly UNFUNNY, at least when I bothered to pay attention when everyone was saying how great it was. DB argues that that's the point, I realize, but I just saw these grim jokes that wouldn't pass for Highlights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned are you one of those chuckleheads who always assume the comics needs to be funny?

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

You ask me, a Peanuts fan, this.

Let me specify -- when humor was attempted, it was of the cheese variety. When soppiness was attempted, it made me want to pound walls down. When prompted to appreciate how wossname knows his comic artists of the past, I reflect on how The Boondocks looks like the first honestly modern strip in years. Etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes is the greatest strip EVAH- I want to be Hobbes when I grow up. Actually, I love them so much that I swiped one of their comic strip lines for my server's 404 page; it's the geek way of showing appreciation for their humor.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Peanuts
June 10, 1997

One panel. Linus, Charlie, and Snoopy are lounging in A Forest. Linus & Charlie lean against a tree, Snoopy against a rock.

Linus: "I hear you've decided no to go to summer camp after all..."

Charlie: "When you have a dog, you should stay home, and make your dog happy ... that's what you should do ... you should stay home..."

Snoopy: "Except for those obviously necessary short trips in to buy dog food..."

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Read this every week:

http://www.citypaper.com/archives/funny.html

As for y'all's Zippy bashing: Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't think of an American comic strip, other than Peanuts and Calvin & Hobbes, in the last several decades that I think is terrifically good - the '20s and '30s seemed to produce countless masterpieces, but the last 50 years has been very poor. I've not seen Mutts, but the fact that the image posted has a couple of Herriman references makes me interested.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

xps yes they were framed back in the day, fortunately. noted on the direct sunlight!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:17 (two months ago) link

and yeah they could use a reframing, the cardboard backing is old and flaking

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link

Beautiful! I have a signed Charlie Brown "print" (just a photocopy his office sent out) from when I wrote to him in 2nd grade that my mom kept with my old report cards and pulled out for me one day in my 30s after I'd completely forgotten about it. It's framed on my wall now.

You probably know this already but I'd also look into getting these insured. He may have drawn thousands of strips but each one is highly sought after by collectors.

And yes, I'd have them professionally reframed with UV protective glass, acid-free backing, etc.

dinnerboat, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:50 (two months ago) link

Ward or dinnerboat or others, how would I get an appraisal on these for insurance, are there specialists? I do have regular homeowners insurance fwiw.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 21:56 (two months ago) link

You might try Heritage Auctions. They're one of the big comics art auction houses in the U.S.

dinnerboat, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:01 (two months ago) link

ty!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:18 (two months ago) link

If you have a local art museum, you could reach out to them to see who they use for appraisals for works on paper. They have to get works appraised for insurance as well, and they are not allowed to do it themselves.

Heritage Auctions might be able to recommend someone, but auction houses have an interest in how much something is worth. Meaning, I don't know how legit their appraisals will be, if that makes sense.

Get it professionally framed, with archival materials and spacers that keep the paper off the glass. If for any reason moisture got into the frame and the paper is against the glass, it's probably trash. You can also get special plex that reduces UV impact, but if you want them on view keep them away from any areas that get sunlight. Even indirect sunlight is bad if it's on view for a long time.

That last strip is solid gold. Sometimes I forget how good Peanuts could be.

Cow_Art, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:30 (two months ago) link

I do have a local museum, also I know local librarians, thanks all!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:33 (two months ago) link

Agreeing with dinnerboat abt Heritage Auctions. They are the biggest players in the sale of original comics art and often get eye-watering prices for pieces. So while their valuation would not be disinterested - they would want to sell them and make a profit obv - their high-end estimate would be good for insurance purposes alone. These look to be relatively early strips - what's the copyright date on them? - so would be at the top end of the market, especially as they both have Charlie Brown and Lucy on them. In the last ten years or so, fine art and institutional collectors have bought into the comics art market and overinflated prices, but even if there's a bubble burst I don't think it would particularly affect Peanuts originals, which have always been highly prized and valued.

Schulz never needed to sell his originals, although he did give them away to fans (as with your mum), or in trade for other original comic art (especially Krazy Kat originals). So while, yes, he did draw thousands of strips, there aren't that many in private hands - I think most are still held by the Schulz Museum, who might also be worth contacting for advice.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 February 2024 22:48 (two months ago) link

the Museum was my first thought actually, thanks again - I did just submit a Heritage request for reference.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 22:55 (two months ago) link

also just left a message at the local museum, reframing seems like the first step here

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:31 (two months ago) link

more complete notes from my mom if this helps, maybe these are not originals? they sure look like it, you can see the brush strokes

"A high school classmate whom I dated briefly wrote to Charles Schultz in probably 1957 and asked him for something to give a girlfriend for her birthday, and got the two strips, unframed at the time. I'm 99.999% certain Les didn't pay anything for them - just asked. I think it would have been my 17th birthday, the summer before my senior year in high school. My father got them framed. (The brown paper backing on them is getting a bit crumbly after 60-some years.) I think you should have them as companions to your complete Peanuts collection. Whether they actually got published or not you'll have to check in your volumes. One of them is particularly interesting because it has a correction, a piece of paper with the correct wording pasted over the original (which left out the apostrophe in one word). That one is signed, "Kindest regards, Charles Schultz." Although I'm not sure they are actually the original drawings, maybe mockups of some sort? They both have dates on them, one says "9-22" in ink on the strip and "9/22/56" in pencil below the frame of that strip, and the other is just "3-21" (no year, but likely 1956). Framed they are each 8"x30"."

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:10 (two months ago) link

posting closeups here as well

https://i.imgur.com/UGPTUuc.jpg

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:01 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/WS8DBtI.jpg

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:02 (two months ago) link

they look legit - pasting on the header and copyright is totally standard practice, and the only other Peanuts original I've seen was also startlingly large.

bae (sic), Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:41 (two months ago) link

Also, of those I've seen, when gifting strips it was standard for Schulz to sign them like that.

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:59 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

so my sister and I have decided to sell these, they are prob gonna go for like $30K each. wild. my mom is in shock lol. we are using Heritage, thanks dinnerboat for that tip!

my mom with the winning quote: "do you even want something that valuable in your house?"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:22 (one month ago) link

Ha! Mommest thing I've heard in a while....

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:23 (one month ago) link

wow those are amazing!!

c u (crüt), Sunday, 17 March 2024 04:04 (one month ago) link

That’s amazing

All for selling the expensives btw, let upkeep be somebody else’s problem

Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 17 March 2024 04:23 (one month ago) link

Awesome stuff, hope the fetch you that pretty penny!

H.P, Sunday, 17 March 2024 06:32 (one month ago) link

yer ma has a point! hope you guys make $$$$s

Good luck! And thanks for sharing — your story’s like a prime Antiques Roadshow episode.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:34 (one month ago) link


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