The Official Newscorp/UK end of season finale/Rebekah Brooks did 9/11 thread

This is absolutely nuts in a predictable "what zeitgeisty infosec trope hasn't turned up yet?" way.

xpost
Think it's a cryptographic key to store the password?

Yes... The password hashes and salts are needed to decrypt the passwords.. Using these details the passwords could be cracked in seconds...

The Sun homepage thesun.co.uk now redirects to the LulzSec twitter page

this is all just spiffy

End of season now feels too small, somehow...

SABU

i seriously would never have imagined that the parly grilling tomorrow would end up feeling like a sideshow

This is crazy. I've got to interview someone discussed on this thread tomorrow - musician - first thing and I know we are going to spend half of it not talking about anything but this.

Waking up is brilliant these days. I need to take a day off just to work through the past few hours.

11.37pm: A News International spokeswoman has confirmed to the Press Association that the company was "aware" of what was happening, but made no further comment.

What else could be said, anyway? "Uh, yeah, we're fucked."

xp wooooow

This is crazy. I've got to interview someone discussed on this thread tomorrow - musician

Say hi to Mr. Michael for us!

Via twitter:

PaulLewis

I've been at Sean Hoare's house. Police/ambulance there 11am-3pm. Then nothing. Story breaks. Forensics arrive 9pm.

Hahaha Ned, unlike GM, this interviewee has never had a homosexual experience.

Say hi to William Hague for us!

looool

i mean just in the last 24 hours there's been

- the supposed suicide of a key whistleblower
- a mysterious bag with computer and files in it found near rebekah brooks' house
- hackers who claim to have snaffled all NOTW and the Sun's emails

in the 24 hrs before that there was rebekah brooks' arrest and the chief of scotland yard's resignation. this is starting to make "house of cards" look unimaginative

BTW if this were happening to any other news org the Post would have NEWS CORPSE for tomorrow's HL.

i will now admit that this may actually be somewhat of a big deal

i mean just in the last 24 hours there's been

- the supposed suicide of a key whistleblower
- a mysterious bag with computer and files in it found near rebekah brooks' house
- hackers who claim to have snaffled all NOTW and the Sun's emails

in the 24 hrs before that there was rebekah brooks' arrest and the chief of scotland yard's resignation. this is starting to make "house of cards" look unimaginative

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 08:46 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol and you left off John Yates

xp i may concur.

ned t you are making me feel bad with that display name

- the supposed suicide of a key whistleblower

wait who has suggested it was suicide?

Widely reported as "not suspicious" until just recently.

just a whistleblower killing self after scandal breaks nbd

suicide or murder aren't the only options! he had a long history of heavy drinking and drug use and nick davies recounted this:

In the end, his body would not take it any more. He said he started to have fits, that his liver was in such a terrible state that a doctor told him he must be dead.

quite prepared to believe he was murdered, especially as the news of the world private detective jonathan rees, who was accused of killing a guy with an axe, is still at large, but there are reasons to believe this guy was ready to go at any time.

Course if it turns out he was slowly poisoned like the ex-KGB dude...

row row fight the power

Lulzsec scares me.

I met Sean Hoare a couple of times at music dos in the late 90s. Nice guy, usually pissed (as in drunk, not angry).

NI and Times sites also down/hacked. perhaps include the Mail's site out of fairness?

quite prepared to believe he was murdered, especially as the news of the world private detective jonathan rees, who was accused of killing a guy with an axe, is still at large, but there are reasons to believe this guy was ready to go at any time.

― joe, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 09:14 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Definitely an easy target, then. The timing cannot be ignored.

you're not making any sense. the fact that he was very possibly ill and likely to die of natural causes means... that it's easier to murder him? but you were implying it was a presumed suicide earlier. our putative murderer can't have made it look like suicide and natural causes all at once.

there's enough conspiracy here already without jumping to conclusions and making your own.

Conspiracy theorists embarrassing themselves on this one IMO. As with David Kelly, (a) it's too late - the damage is done and (b) you don't go knocking people off in the full glare of the media spotlight.

Tell that to Bin Laden / Saddam Hussein

you're not making any sense. the fact that he was very possibly ill and likely to die of natural causes means... that it's easier to murder him?

It's an obvious alibi.

but you were implying it was a presumed suicide earlier. our putative murderer can't have made it look like suicide and natural causes all at once.

I said the press reported suicide.

there's enough conspiracy here already without jumping to conclusions and making your own.

How about not jamming words into my mouth.

So if the lulzsec crew makes available the full data grab to UK/US cops, can any of that be used legally, if not as admissible evidence, then something?

Also, iPhones now autocomplete for 'lulzsec'. FYI.

xp where did the press report a suicide, is what i originally asked? it wasn't in any of the reports i read (guardian, mostly).

Widely reported as "not suspicious" until just recently.

― invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 09:05 (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Okay, I just realised you probably didn't know that "not suspicious" is press code for suicide.

it wouldn't also be used if it just seemed like someone had died of natural causes or in circumstances in which it didn't ... seem ... suspicious?

xp i work as a news reporter, and i know that if you assume a "not suspicious" death is a suicide, you sometimes get made to look like a fool.

It is more often than not code for suicide, though. If someone died of natural causes they say that.

CNBC saying Murdoch Jr considering position.

conclusion: fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

We covered the suicide/no-suspicious-circumstances thing in detail at uni in the '90s. Right now all I can find is mentions on various blogs and page 2 of this (opens a pdf).

xxp AWESOME

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-18/news-corp-said-to-consider-naming-chase-carey-as-ceo-suceeding-murdoch.html

who is Louise Boat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IURgryjA

Think CNBC meant Rupert going too and I picked it up wrong.

joe i'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole "not suspicious" convention in the uk. you're saying it could mean an OD?

In a number of paper style books I've seen the advice for reporting suicides is to report them as deaths not in suspicious circumstances, because of the risk of copycats. Accidental ODs can be and are reported as such