just the musicians
That's definitely not what I had in mind for this thread. I'm looking for prog that sounds like a snort of poppers, like a chant of "butch queen up in pumps." Doesn't matter if the musicians are gay or not. Sparks is an excellent suggestion! Prolly the closest we'll come unless Jobriath solo counts.
If all gay people are supposed to be disco dancers
Would it were so...
And lookie what a search for "Robert John Godfrey" + "gay" turned up - another thread on gay prog!
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6610
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 18 July 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
See, I'm interested in all aspects of the question, really - musically, in terms of subject matter, and yeah, personally as well. Not entirely sure we're likely to come to any conclusions about, well, anything really, but I find it interesting.
― emil.y, Monday, 18 July 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Well yeah I guess I'd be mildly interested to discover some progger is gay. But waaaaay more interested in prog that's suitable for bathhouses.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 18 July 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
Mexican prog group MCC, were fronted by a openly gay singer, and some of their songs had gay themes ("Angel de Sodoma").
http://ritornomiracolo.blogspot.com/2009/10/rock-mexicano-m-c-c.html
― Monkey tennis? (Solrac), Monday, 18 July 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
not really prog i guess but i once watched a gay porn flick from the '70s that used "one of these days" by pink floyd in the soundtrack. it was pretty intense!
― jesus and mary chapin carpenter (donna rouge), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
Joe Z. may fall under not really prog and not really gay, but the phallic use of his instrument in the photo made me think it might get us on the right track.
― bernerrrrr! berrrrrnowwww.... (Eazy), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
There was definitely some glam/prog crossover going on in the '70s, along the lines of Sparks (who weren't all really that prog -- not as prog as Queen to my ears), but maybe more so. Pavlov's Dog? Mr. Big (the mid '70s band on Arista, not the later hair metal one)? Esperanto? Sailor? Zolar X? Skyhooks? And Roxy Music certainly had their swishy and proggy moments, right? But if Queen aren't the best example of this, I'm not really sure why.
― xhuxk, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
That's definitely not what I had in mind for this thread. I'm looking for prog that sounds like a snort of poppers, like a chant of "butch queen up in pumps." Doesn't matter if the musicians are gay or not.
Ah, well in that case, what about Gong? Gentle Giant? Some of the German Bands like Amon Duul 2 and Can started getting more glammed out in the late '70s and doing disco-y stuff.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 18 July 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, there was certainly prog/Eurodisco crossover, too. In fact, it's pretty obvious that prog helped inspire some of those longer Eurodisco suites (and some of the Chicago house guys were prog fans, too.)
Also, if we're talking real life biography, Doug Pinnick from King's X has long been of the closet, right?
― xhuxk, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
And Mountains Come Out Of The Sky: The Illustrated History Of Prog Rock lists Bowie's Low as the 236th best prog album of all time in the appendix in the back. (Not sure where Camel, Caravan, Happy The Man, etc., fit into all of this.)
― xhuxk, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
And Hello People? (Or is mime-rock not gay and/or prog enough?)
― xhuxk, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
And hell, Peter Gabriel used to dress up as a flower on stage back in Foxtrot days! How straight is that??
― xhuxk, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*
― Disneyland Purgatory (Ówen P.), Monday, 18 July 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
No point trying to change the minds of people who have decided that all white music = straight. This in spite of the fact that the most homophobic genres in existence are hip-hop and dancehall reggae, at least judging from lyrical content and quotes from the actual musicians.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
No mention of Aluminu Group yet - I'd think they'd qualify
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
duh - Aluminum Group
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
I've just gone through the whole thread again *twice* and I honestly can't spot anybody mentioning 'white music', never mind suggesting that such a thing is invariably heterosexual. A little help, anyone?
― emil.y, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
No point trying to change the minds of people who have decided that all white music = straight good music = primarily melodic .
fyp
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
opened this thread to say that if you're counting 00s stuff then Extra Life is kinda prog and has lyrics which are at least sexually ambiguous, but apparently the thread starter didn't actually want that, so I'm just going to stand in the corner humming "White Music" by Crack The Sky
― the ascent of nyan (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
I know I've mentioned Orchestra Luna in a dozen or more threads, one of my favorite bands ever. I don't know if they were exactly prog, but there was certainly a gay sensibility at work. They got me into showtunes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emP_DxA1KzE
― An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
Why does black people never want to get all yessed out?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Larry Heard, Marshall Jefferson were/are big YES fans.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 July 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
If this thread ventures to say that "prog band ____" is gay because of romantic themes, stage costumes and a aong that mentions a rainbow then I'm out of here.
That's why the only question should be about whether any prog musicians are gay. And so far we got a Mexican prog band that I've never heard of and maybe a prog-metal band but obviously it would be the metal bringing in teh gay
― could've been a baller (CaptainLorax), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
so it's not fair to bring up camp sensibility?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
Kodwo Eshun is a huge Yes fan iirc. xxxp
Can't believe I forgot about King's X...
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Also, this myth about right wing prog musicians, I know about nobody who is a prog musician and right wing, and who hasn't been a member of either Strawbs or Rush.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
(well, OK, Phil Collins, but that entire story was apparently based upon a misinterpretation)
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
Still waiting for Matt to spill the beans on RJG.
― solfege made me schizophrenic (MaresNest), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
(xxpost) I had to stop reading Geoff Downes' Twitter. Some of his Tweets smelled of RW tendencies.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
Not really sure if I count Geoff Downes as prog even though he used to be a member of Yes. (I don't count Asia as prog even though Prog magazine does). Didn't know he was right wing, but even though few artists are, some will be of course.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't say he's "right wing", just that some of his Tweets were kind of jingoistic. Still love the dude.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
Ahh - here he is blogging during the current Yes tour. Not sure if this is the right thread but I'll post here anyway. He's definitely patriotic (no crime) and addresses said "jingoism"
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://yesworld.com/blog/
Yikes, what a shithead
― solfege made me schizophrenic (MaresNest), Monday, 18 July 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
uh, Magma
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Monday, 18 July 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
this seems kinda close (to gay prog):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1j-6vRykFs
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
There are plenty of female-fronted prog bands. For centre-left (or even just left) prog, see Henry Cow.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 18 July 2011 17:46 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Oooh, cheers for that (emil.y, I saw your counterpoint)
― invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:12 (twelve years ago) link
The thread was over the first time someone mentioned Queen, right? Also, I didn't know that there was even a 'myth' about prog musicians being right-wing. (And I would think Yes and Pink Floyd were kind of centre-left?) I don't know anything about Magma's politics, though.
xpost!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
Wakeman's a tory.
― invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I know that doesn't mean every prog musician's a tory but
Ah, so he is. I guess Zappa was a libertarian, right? Obv Wyatt and the whole RIO movement were/are hard-left. Rush have been kind of centre-left since 81 or so, haven't they? Actually, there was a VH-1 interview where Peart not only acknowledged that he was being a bit naive about global capitalism when he wrote "2112" but that he was inspired to make that statement out of frustration with all the pressure from the record company to make more accessible music after Career of Steel, of feeling like his individualism was being repressed by big business. All I could do was go "Uh..."
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
Can Styx be gay prog if Styx themselves are not gay?
― bernerrrrr! berrrrrnowwww.... (Eazy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
yes!
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:44 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know anything about Magma's politics, though.
Vander has been pretty convincingly outed as a Nazi
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64446&PN=1
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
This smells like some huge bullsh*t.
― Burning Hell Sunflower Blues Band (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
whatever. I didn't want to believe it, but the evidence is pretty damning.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
Nazis are generally big into jazz, yeah.
― Burning Hell Sunflower Blues Band (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
I always think of Throbbing Gristle as a sort of malfunctioning prog band—in a way the Last Prog Band—so I dunno, by extension I consider Coil a prog band too.
― fields of salmon, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
"Astral Disaster" is pretty proggy in vibe!
― Burning Hell Sunflower Blues Band (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 05:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, and non-nazis generally put swastikas, albert speer buildings and Goebbels quotes on their album artwork?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/321/cover_4158112832017_r.jpg
― the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 11 February 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
i don't know. i guess there's this band, who are a kind of prog rock/italo cross. named after the henry cow song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Q7Wj8IQTQ
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 11 February 2018 04:20 (six years ago) link
xpost "Diamond Song" is good!
― vicious almond beliefs (crüt), Sunday, 11 February 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
yes but it's not on that album
nothing on that album is good
and that's coming from me, ILX's #1 Starcastle fan
― frogbs, Sunday, 11 February 2018 04:23 (six years ago) link
also, that cover is straight as hell!!!
Coil mentioned upthread but their alumnus Thighpaulsandra should have probably had all his album covers posted here already - he is p much Queen Prog
Also, arguably one of the best exponents of this has posted to this thread!
― imago, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link
Geir?
― Mark G, Sunday, 11 February 2018 11:26 (six years ago) link
well anyway furry prog is better than gay prog (see: the complete works of bob drake)
cover of "reel to real" looks like they're trying to out-"love beach" "love beach", and the cover of "love beach" is definitely not gay. the guy wearing the tiny little sailor shirt just comes across as regrettable, not really any more "gay" than that fireballet album cover is "trans"
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 11 February 2018 12:11 (six years ago) link
O yeah Bob Drake is the nicest guy and a sterling representative for furkind
― imago, Sunday, 11 February 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
omg how did we not mention Yamantaka // Sonic Titan yet
― imago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
Actually.... prog is probably more androgynous than gay. Prog is a very intellectual kind of music and the entire intellectual culture is more androgynous. Not stereotypically male as in fast cars, girls with big boobs and lots of energy and rock'n'roll riffs, but not really "gay" either. Just typically intellectually androgynous.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Monday, 18 July 2011 08:28 (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Even though I'm not even sure it's him, classic Geir.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
the new Rhododendron :)
― imago, Thursday, 10 June 2021 08:31 (two years ago) link