Search and Destroy : New Order

All Bernard in this one, the first of two or more parts -- some good stuff here:

http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/features/interviews/79692/new-order-heaven-knows-its-got-to-be-this-time.htm

saw them once roundabout 1992 at the lorelei festival. they were embarrassing. it would have had been better if they had used playback.

I've actually got a recording of that gig. Barney sounds wasted.

Finally bought "Sirens" this week. £1 from "Discount Books"

Don't think this clip has been posted here before (?) it's a pretty good one - Age of Consent, Toronto 1985

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3oqQQ-ZYbM&feature=related

(i forgot to mention - a) wonderful rapid-fire guitar playing halfway thru, b) very disturbing pants.)

The greatest single ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXDCjx3NIw&feature=fvsr

I'll take Perfect Kiss over this.

Neither of you is wrong! I've flip-flopped over the years.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QmE3HjlHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/new-order-to-tour-north-america-for-the-first-time-in-seven-years-20120723

Kinda of a weird photo:

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/new-order-to-tour-north-america-for-the-first-time-in-seven-years-20120723/1000x600/main.jpg

looks like they're all in the midst of group shrug

obviously happy to be playing some US dates this fall.

The guy behind the recycle blog has started posting remastered gigs:

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/new-order-stash-tapes-2012-mastering-7.html

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/new-order-stash-tapes-2012-mastering-13.html

Very cool!

managed tickets for Oakland right after the presale although I had to get them off stubhub; good thing I did because by the time the general sale happened there were actually NO tickets, and then stubhub prices doubled.

Surprised people aren't going nuts for these remasters. The Barcelona version of Everything's Gone Green into Temptation is resplendent. Having listened to the originals hundreds of times, hearing these versions is like hearing them anew. Love it.

http://neworderarchive.blogspot.com

I heard "Hellbent" today in the car. I guess it's from Sirens Call sessions. It is just awful.

I agree with everyone else about what's great.

Surprised people aren't going nuts for these remasters.

Can't be arsed with FLAC.

Just download Songbird: http://getsongbird.com/desktop/

no good for
a) at work
b) on my phone
c) on my CD player

which are all the places I listen to my own choices of recorded music. (helpful intention of suggestion appreicated though!)

http://www.tresrrr.com/All2MP3/ENGLISH.html

d) have Windows

I use XLD to convert FLAC to Apple Lossless. Free and easy.

I use ALL2MP3 on my Mac to convert the FLACS to MP3s. Quick and easy.

Man, this era of live New Order is so awesome. I love the seat of your pants-ness of it.

Oh yeah, nearly forgot I'm going to see them tomorrow.

I posted on another thread that they are playing here the same night as the reunited PiL, the reunited Crime and the City Solution, and the reunited Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. Reunion, reunion, reunion, reunion ...

"Liiiife is a Rock! but the radio rolled meeeee"

going nuts for these live shows indeed - the Belgium show sounds kind of manic or urgent which more than makes up for it not sounding quite as sublime as the Barcelona show, which really deserves to be released officially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4JWzEPJe8

kind of surprising to me that people want to see them without Peter Hook. not judging but...why? he's their sound.

I'm honestly torn, personally. He's their sound, but how vital is his presence? Was New Order not New Order all those years minus Gillian?

I don't think Gillian contributed all that much, to be honest. I think the three who were in Joy Division continued that band's work. But Hook's sound - I mean - it is the definitive element of the band. I'm sure Barney & the road techs know enough about his rig to let whoever's sitting in copy it & get a reasonable facsimile, but like...this isn't quite Television minus Tom Verlaine, but it's close.

I totally agree, except that unlike Verlaine - or Lloyd - Hook's sound and playing is very easy to replicate. The man, however, is one of a kind.

I think Gillian contributed more than you assume, that's why she's back!

for some reason I have it in my head that Gillian was instrumental in creating "Fine Time", so I went to Wikipedia to look it up and encountered this:

The US 12" version is unusual in that the pattern of beats in the song produces a noticeable swirl effect in the vinyl. It is clear that the pattern is inherent to "Fine Time" since it does not appear within "Don't Do It" which, unlike "Fine Line", is a completely different song.[citation needed]

lol

She definitely wrote "World" (that's the price of love) at least with SteveM.

I remember Bern being all sarcy "oh this ones got great words innit?" yeah yours are ain't they?

kind of surprising to me that people want to see them without Peter Hook. not judging but...why? he's their sound.

the live shows being discussed itt atm are recordings from the 80s btw

Hooky's chorus'd bass is integral, but I certainly wouldn't say they don't have a 'sound' without it. For example, the first Electronic album is amazing as are certain The Other Two singles. In fact, Hooky's bass on most Monaco records sounds out of place without the rest of them.

Mark G, don't you mean "World in Motion"?

The backing track for the chorus of "World in Motion" bore some similarities to the instrumental theme tune for the DEF II current-affairs show, Reportage,[3] which had been written for the show by Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert of New Order. The song was produced by Stephen Hague, who had also produced one of the group's earlier hits, "True Faith".

I actually prefer the 2nd Electronic album, it has their best tune on it imo ("For You") - I just feel like NEW ORDER is a band that has the three surviving members of Joy Division in it or it's really not New Order at all

I got hold of a bootleg of the one New Order show I saw - an appearance on the Power, Corruption and Lies tour (but "Blue Monday" was out by this time) at Billy Barty's Roller Fantasy in Fullerton - pretty eye-opening; my friends and I, who were all of v v pretentiously sure of our opinions, thought it was an OK show, really nothing special. The recording, heard 20 years on, reveals that it was fucking amazing. Unpreserved by any tapers is how the four of us arrived so early at the club that we were able to just walk in while Hook was warming up onstage, at the lip of which we stood while he practiced the "Age of Consent" bassline for some time until finally telling us it was fine if we wanted to hang around but he'd rather we didn't do so directly in front of the stage.

Alfred, "no" in the particular case I meant "World", that's not sayng they didn't do "World in Motion", it was the particular one that Bernard was being 'funny' (mildly) about, like as I say is he reknown for his high-standard of lyrics? No he is not... (I mean, compared to Ian for instance)...

I'm not slagging Bernard off here, it was just a bit bemusing at the time (Reading Festival, before the first 'long rest')

Ah! I'd love to learn more songwriting credits. An interview from '99 said that Morris-Gilbert also wrote the essence of "Touched By the Hand of God."

Writing credits is one of the great mysteries of New Order.

incidentally the live show in Oakland last week was incredible, far far better than they were seven years ago with Hooky. I approve of Tom Chapman New Order.

They were great when I saw them in 2004 or whenever, which also featured Tom Chapman, I think.

uh, no, the first gig with that lineup was October 2011. Hook didn't publicly spit the dummy until 2007

phil cunningham was with them from 2001 on (and still is), that is probably who josh is thinking of.

Yes, that is who I am thinking of. Phil Cunningham, Tom Chapman, who the fuck cares.