watching new order now would be like when they brought krusty ringer to kamp krusty
― dayo, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
it's not a sobbing-at-night regret (not least because I've heard live tracks and seen concert footage and I think Bernard's tin ear would drive me insane)
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
wait, you listen to new order for the singing?
― dayo, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
I saw them a few times between 87-93 (?). Pretty much one of the sloppiest bands I've ever seen but hey.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I thought they wz great.
Last time before they split the first time..
― Mark G, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
hahahahahaha
no! but you know the difference between stage and studio is MASSIVE for some ppl and Bernie is one of them
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
from 01-05, New Order were very good live (except Bernard's whooping and whistling and Hooky's 'COME ON!!!!' cries every 8 bars in LWTUA)
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - never saw NO live either but feel no particular regret about that - all the live stuff I've heard has been embarrassingly messy
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
I saw them in Manchester c. 2000, they played the whole of Bizzare Love Triangle with no base coming through through the soundsystem. They were still great though.
― Neil S, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
Seen them a few times. Amazing moments were transcendental. Bad moments were like watching a drunken relative embarrass you at a wedding.
― Gukbe, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
All Bernard in this one, the first of two or more parts -- some good stuff here:
http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/features/interviews/79692/new-order-heaven-knows-its-got-to-be-this-time.htm
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 July 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
saw them once roundabout 1992 at the lorelei festival. they were embarrassing. it would have had been better if they had used playback.
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 30 July 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
I've actually got a recording of that gig. Barney sounds wasted.
― Millsner, Sunday, 31 July 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
Finally bought "Sirens" this week. £1 from "Discount Books"
― Mark G, Monday, 1 August 2011 08:42 (twelve years ago) link
Don't think this clip has been posted here before (?) it's a pretty good one - Age of Consent, Toronto 1985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3oqQQ-ZYbM&feature=related
― scruton, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
(i forgot to mention - a) wonderful rapid-fire guitar playing halfway thru, b) very disturbing pants.)
― scruton, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
The greatest single ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXDCjx3NIw&feature=fvsr
― Campari G&T, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'll take Perfect Kiss over this.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
Neither of you is wrong! I've flip-flopped over the years.
― Millsner, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QmE3HjlHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― Mark G, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/new-order-to-tour-north-america-for-the-first-time-in-seven-years-20120723
Kinda of a weird photo:
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/new-order-to-tour-north-america-for-the-first-time-in-seven-years-20120723/1000x600/main.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
looks like they're all in the midst of group shrug
― tylerw, Monday, 23 July 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
obviously happy to be playing some US dates this fall.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 23 July 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
The guy behind the recycle blog has started posting remastered gigs:
http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/new-order-stash-tapes-2012-mastering-7.html
http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/new-order-stash-tapes-2012-mastering-13.html
― nate woolls, Sunday, 5 August 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
Very cool!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
managed tickets for Oakland right after the presale although I had to get them off stubhub; good thing I did because by the time the general sale happened there were actually NO tickets, and then stubhub prices doubled.
― akm, Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
Surprised people aren't going nuts for these remasters. The Barcelona version of Everything's Gone Green into Temptation is resplendent. Having listened to the originals hundreds of times, hearing these versions is like hearing them anew. Love it.
http://neworderarchive.blogspot.com
― john. a resident of chicago., Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
I heard "Hellbent" today in the car. I guess it's from Sirens Call sessions. It is just awful.
I agree with everyone else about what's great.
― Dan Bejar? Amanda Lear? You're Welcome! (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
Surprised people aren't going nuts for these remasters.
Can't be arsed with FLAC.
― ʘ (sic), Saturday, 11 August 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
Just download Songbird: http://getsongbird.com/desktop/
― john. a resident of chicago., Saturday, 11 August 2012 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
no good for a) at workb) on my phonec) on my CD player
which are all the places I listen to my own choices of recorded music. (helpful intention of suggestion appreicated though!)
― ʘ (sic), Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.tresrrr.com/All2MP3/ENGLISH.html
― dan selzer, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
d) have Windows
― ʘ (sic), Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
I use XLD to convert FLAC to Apple Lossless. Free and easy.
― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 11 August 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I use ALL2MP3 on my Mac to convert the FLACS to MP3s. Quick and easy.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 11 August 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
Man, this era of live New Order is so awesome. I love the seat of your pants-ness of it.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 August 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, nearly forgot I'm going to see them tomorrow.
― Mark G, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
I posted on another thread that they are playing here the same night as the reunited PiL, the reunited Crime and the City Solution, and the reunited Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. Reunion, reunion, reunion, reunion ...
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
"Liiiife is a Rock! but the radio rolled meeeee"
― Mark G, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
going nuts for these live shows indeed - the Belgium show sounds kind of manic or urgent which more than makes up for it not sounding quite as sublime as the Barcelona show, which really deserves to be released officially.
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4JWzEPJe8
― StanM, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
kind of surprising to me that people want to see them without Peter Hook. not judging but...why? he's their sound.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'm honestly torn, personally. He's their sound, but how vital is his presence? Was New Order not New Order all those years minus Gillian?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Gillian contributed all that much, to be honest. I think the three who were in Joy Division continued that band's work. But Hook's sound - I mean - it is the definitive element of the band. I'm sure Barney & the road techs know enough about his rig to let whoever's sitting in copy it & get a reasonable facsimile, but like...this isn't quite Television minus Tom Verlaine, but it's close.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
I totally agree, except that unlike Verlaine - or Lloyd - Hook's sound and playing is very easy to replicate. The man, however, is one of a kind.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
I think Gillian contributed more than you assume, that's why she's back!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
for some reason I have it in my head that Gillian was instrumental in creating "Fine Time", so I went to Wikipedia to look it up and encountered this:
The US 12" version is unusual in that the pattern of beats in the song produces a noticeable swirl effect in the vinyl. It is clear that the pattern is inherent to "Fine Time" since it does not appear within "Don't Do It" which, unlike "Fine Line", is a completely different song.[citation needed]
lol
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
She definitely wrote "World" (that's the price of love) at least with SteveM.
I remember Bern being all sarcy "oh this ones got great words innit?" yeah yours are ain't they?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
the live shows being discussed itt atm are recordings from the 80s btw
― ʘ (sic), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
Hooky's chorus'd bass is integral, but I certainly wouldn't say they don't have a 'sound' without it. For example, the first Electronic album is amazing as are certain The Other Two singles. In fact, Hooky's bass on most Monaco records sounds out of place without the rest of them.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 23 August 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link