DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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CANNESED was genius, tracer

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in a supposedly left-wing paper, sexist shit like that. ^^^^ "Grow some balls." I can't even...

Karen D. Tregaskin, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:28 (six years ago) Permalink

she's standing on a stack of newspapers because women are short

so brycey (history mayne), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:29 (six years ago) Permalink


40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:30 (six years ago) Permalink

also xp to a whole other thread but, y'huh, psyched for more caek scoops. i don't really understand journalistic practices on this kind of thing - isn't it the kind of thing that a la ryan giggs' marriage, should be being flagrantly discussed piecemeal on twitte?

Aa Bb Obscure Dull Blue (#000066) (schlump), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:40 (six years ago) Permalink

murdoch meeting the dowlers this a'noon...anonymous tipoff

LocalGarda, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:50 (six years ago) Permalink

from me i mean

LocalGarda, Friday, 15 July 2011 13:50 (six years ago) Permalink

Dowlers, please surreptitiously tape the meeting.

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:52 (six years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I wonder how anyone over 25 takes Laurie Penny seriously.[NB: the cenotaph incident wasn't what he was jailed for]

True but...

Passing sentence, Judge Nicholas Price QC accepted that Gilmour's behaviour at the Cenotaph did not form part of the violent disorder, but accused him of disrespect to the war dead.

Seems v. harsh - does he have any previous?

that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:52 (six years ago) Permalink

friend of a friend who has a brother in the know just let me know that police have opened an investigation into r brooks' involvement in maddie abduction, also got me google plus invites

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:53 (six years ago) Permalink

None. Dumbfuck judge, my taxpayer friends and I really don't want to hear your opinion on matters outside the actual charge. Hope they appeal. xp

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 13:55 (six years ago) Permalink

Fair point. Judge had no cause to mention cenotaph at all.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:00 (six years ago) Permalink

The judge gave another student 12 months last week for throwing a stick.

that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:03 (six years ago) Permalink

Judicial appointments
Senior Circuit Judge Appointment - Price QC

11 July 2011

The Lord Chancellor, the Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke QC MP has appointed His Honour Judge Nicholas Peter Lees Price QC to be a Senior Circuit Judge, Resident Judge based at Kingston Crown Court Centre effect from Monday 11 July 2011.


nakhchivan, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:17 (six years ago) Permalink

They're charged with 'violent disorder' rather than criminal damage, which means the penalties are much more severe. Being part of a large group and being in a public place are aggravating factors.

The whole area of the law is extremely controversial as you're not really being judged on the acts you carried out but the wider context of the event. Someone got five years, a while back, for throwing stones at police during a 'riot'.

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:23 (six years ago) Permalink

i see that martin rowson still hasn't mastered the felt tip

Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 July 2011 14:37 (six years ago) Permalink

3.47pm: Breaking: David Cameron hosted Andy Coulson at Chequers this spring after his resignation in January ... More details soon ...

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:49 (six years ago) Permalink

He was calling him his friend a week ago

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2011 14:51 (six years ago) Permalink

don't forget The Official Newscorp/UK end of season finale/Rebekah Brooks did 9/11 thread

probably not going to keep murdoch and uk politics completely separate (am i right?!?!), but started another thread because the newscorp stuff going international and it was drowning out good honest tory scum news.

caek, Friday, 15 July 2011 15:07 (six years ago) Permalink

OK, to repost (which is disappointing) I notice that this thread has managed to spend even less time on the defense review than the mainstream media. Do people really have nothing to say? (I spent my afternoon with journos and people waiting to lose their jobs) It's another tory attack on Scotland, but this time it leaves British armed forces in an impossible position.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:35 (six years ago) Permalink

As a lily-livered pacifist type, I'm not entirely unhappy that cuts are being made in defence spending, but yes, this whole thing sounds like it has fucked an entire community over. DOn't seem to be any real plans for creating new jobs there.

scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:43 (six years ago) Permalink

I come from an air force family btw and spent my childhood on various bases, so I appreciated what a huge thing this is for the people that live there.

scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:44 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, me too - I've lived my whole life on or near RAF bases (and I'm a lily-livered pacifist too, though I've recently decided on certain revolutionary exceptions). But Fox even referred to the SNP's (very unlikely to succeed) threat of independence as a reason for the decision. He's punishing communities for how they vote.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:54 (six years ago) Permalink

Hadn't caught that aspect of it, but Fox has always been a huge cock.

Should say best wishes to you and yours dowd, dunno what you do but I hope yr okay.

scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

It's kinda up in the air at the mo, but cheers.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:01 (six years ago) Permalink

i had thought the scots wanted uk armed forces off their patch??

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:05 (six years ago) Permalink

Doubtless some of them do - the minority who support independence. But no-one in communities around these bases wants them to go. We should have found another of Ewen MacGregor's siblings to protect Leuchars, as they (thankfully) did Lossiemouth.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:09 (six years ago) Permalink

Quite sad about this. I worked at Leuchars for 8 years and had a great time, still know a few people there and hope things will work out ok for them.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Brooks's husband Charlie says bag belonged to him not Rebekah. Spokesman says: "A cleaner thought it was rubbish and put it in the bin.

What cleaner throws a computer in a bin? loool

prolego, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:21 (six years ago) Permalink

scotland hates tories, tories hate us. this will never change.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:24 (six years ago) Permalink

also the nats don't want rid of the brit armed forces, salmond campaigned against this iirc.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Yes, he did - he gave a speech n the village hall across the road from my house. The SNP's position was that we've already lost a base, so expecting Scotland to bear 2 of it's 3 bases closed was ridiculous, so both Lossiemouth and Leuchars should stay open.

At least it will be quieter here - the Typhoons are noisy as hell. Now it'll just be rifle drills and the odd helicopter (assuming the vague ideas about an army barracks come to fruition, and even then it'll probably be about five years)

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:29 (six years ago) Permalink

imo the defence review is classic osbornomics, ie unserious. it wasn't a real review: if they don't want the uk to be one of the big clubs, they should make that case, but doing it as part of a defence review *and then launching into a new war* was just derrrrrrrrrrrrp.

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Fox kept responding to questions by saying things like 'in order to achieve a regular/reservist proportion similar to the US we have to...' but he never explained why such a ratio was desirable. Of course, it's all about the £££'s, but he should have the guts to say so.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:38 (six years ago) Permalink

November 2006:

Shadow Olympics minister Hugh Robertson said: "The secretary of state has admitted to a 40% increase.

"She has failed to disclose the true cost of VAT, contingency, building cost inflation and security, much of which was entirely predictable at the time of the bid.

"Today's increase is just a starting point. While the figures remain ambiguous, we can only expect further increases."

July 2011:

The Olympic Delivery Authority has announced 88% of the building programme for London 2012 is now complete.

It has also been announced the anticipated final cost of the project fell by £16m during the last quarter.

This has prompted Sports Minister Hugh Robertson to say for the first time he is "confident" the project will come in under its £9.3bn budget.

He said: "With one year to go construction is 88% complete, ahead of time and under budget."

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:23 (six years ago) Permalink

NHS services opened to competition

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 14:59 (six years ago) Permalink


natalie imbroglio (suzy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Wheelchair services an interesting choice for the first round, given Cameron's been talking about his troubles with them.

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (six years ago) Permalink

Seriously, fuck these guys. They know it's completely buried.

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (six years ago) Permalink

I hear Champneys in Tring treats people in wheelchairs well...

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:43 (six years ago) Permalink

Interesting choice of day to announce this eh?

a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:52 (six years ago) Permalink

The Guardian has the Lansley announcement story on page 15, the Independent on page 21, The Times on page 17 and the Daily Mail on page 31. And that's your lot.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 07:16 (six years ago) Permalink

iirc this was something that was going to happen. and now it has happened, kind of thing.

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 08:14 (six years ago) Permalink

Osborne's lost his (Jonny) marbles?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Dorset County Council is closing 9 of its 34 libraries, with 11 of those left to be run by unpaid volunteers and community groups.

Apparently it's OK because 75 per cent of Dorset residents never set foot inside a library.

Wonder what the percentage of primary school age children is. Oh.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:04 (six years ago) Permalink

They all vote Tory down there anyway, so fuck 'em, they're getting what they voted for

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:06 (six years ago) Permalink

If he holds on to his seat..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:21 (two years ago) Permalink

well quite

another understated post from (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:22 (two years ago) Permalink

Obviously but I'd be surprised if they tried to form a government if they weren't.

― Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Monday, May 4, 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You might be surprised.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:22 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't believe anything now until I see carved it into an 8ft slab of marble.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:27 (two years ago) Permalink

making the law


xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:29 (two years ago) Permalink

lots of wankers don't like to own up to the outside world about their sordid voting habits

The polling companies already adjust for this in their predictions.

AlanSmithee, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

I still think we'll end up with a more or less workable Tory minority but if Miliband had the opportunity of keeping Cameron out, even through working with the SNP, then why wouldn't he? It's not like he would have the opportunity to play any kind of long game.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm hoping Delia Smith and Ronnie O'Sullivan voicing their support for Labour is going to change everything.

djh, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Given that Labour have been running around Scotland for weeks espousing the "biggest party forms the government" line, they wouldn't want to look like hypocrites in the face of being hoisted on their own petard, would they?

michaellambert, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:24 (two years ago) Permalink

fear of deselection/losing seat next go round might well come into it

I think we said that last time.

mea nulta (onimo), Monday, 4 May 2015 18:33 (two years ago) Permalink

i wonder if there are any salient differences between this election and the last one

another understated post from (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 May 2015 20:00 (two years ago) Permalink

It is clear that not only our democracy, but our kingdom, is in some peril.

handwringing over democracy and the feudal system in the same sentence, nice touch

another understated post from (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 May 2015 21:03 (two years ago) Permalink

I still think we'll end up with a more or less workable Tory minority

You've kept saying that since day one - what does workable mean? Do they get through 12bn in welfare cuts?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 May 2015 21:07 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm beginning to wonder what century we're living in, tbh. If the Labour-SNP thing ever happens, I would strongly recommend the authorities double security patrols on the cellars in the Houses of Parliament and MI6 keep tabs on men in doublet and pointed beards and on the movement of barrels of gunpowder.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2015 21:12 (two years ago) Permalink

I always lived wanted to live through some of history's greatest moments tbh.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 May 2015 21:15 (two years ago) Permalink

From the Independent editoral:

... if the present Coalition is to get another chance, we hope it is much less conservative, and much more liberal.

UK General Election 2010 (share of vote):
Conservative Party - 36.1%
Liberal Democrats - 23%

BBC Poll Tracker, May 2nd, 2015:
Conservative Party - 34%
Liberal Democrats - 8%

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2015 21:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Xyzzz - I mean that I think they and the Lib Dems will hang onto more seats than people are expecting and that'll be enough for them to push some legislation through with support for smaller parties.

Suspect they won't be able to get £12bn of welfare cuts through because those Lib Dems who do remain are likely to be less obliging when out of a formal coalition. My guess is that one of the reasons the Tories have been throwing around obviously uncosted pledges on tax and spending is that they will be able to water them down later under the guise of post-election "negotiations". No matter how batshit the party is, the leadership must surely have been planning for a hung parliament as the most likely outcome.

I know a few people within the Treasury and the general feeling is that the Tories have thrown a lot of post-election planning out of the window in the last couple of weeks and no one has any idea where the money is going to go and how they propose to keep their pledges on tax, NHS spending and deficit reduction all at once.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 07:58 (two years ago) Permalink

To elaborate, the Treasury obviously plan with various scenarios in mind based on how they expect the various parties to behave and were reasonably confident they knew what the Tories were going to do in the event of re-election, and the Tories have basically blown that up completely now.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 08:07 (two years ago) Permalink

I liked this quite a bit.

M ost scenarios covered. The role of Lib Dems as king makers this time around has been underdiscussed.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 08:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Lib Dems tearing themselves in two over which way to coalesce wd be one of the more palatable outcomes of this election

another understated post from (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 10:13 (two years ago) Permalink

One scenario that I've not seen covered is if Nick Clegg loses his seat the Lib Dems will have to choose a new leader who may think differently enough to Clegg - who of course would love to keep his job.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 10:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Tim Farron is often mentioned as the next leader, and he's supposedly about as far left as you can get in the Liberal Democrats. Supposedly.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:22 (two years ago) Permalink

The UKIP Scotland site on their manifesto posters doesn't exist. David Coburn blamed "Cybernats".

― mea nulta (onimo), Monday, 4 May 2015 12:30 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They launched their Scottish manifesto without a Scottish manifesto (apparently because of some printing/courier/bank holiday mix up).

They gave out a British manifesto, which didn't mention Scotland once, instead.

A journalist discovered their promoted UKIP Scotland domain was for sale when trying to find a manifesto online.

UKIP's Scottish chairman Arthur Thackerey then didn't have a hard copy of his speech because of a different printing error and couldn't read the speech from his laptop because it kept freezing.

Their candidate for Perth didn't show at hustings because he's busy campaigning for a council seat in England.

I think it's safe to say they're not expecting to return many MPs from Scotland.

mea nulta (onimo), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:24 (two years ago) Permalink

It's looking like Clegg will end up pulling in enough tactical Tory votes to get himself over the line, but if he were to lose his seat I'd guess the LibDems would have to poll their remaining MPs to decide on who to support in coalition/confidence and supply?

Was in Cornwall at the weekend, in a LIB seat that is genuinely in play, and there were these LibDem canvassers in a pub there who were expressing how much they wished Clegg has stepped down before the election because "the man's fucking poison on the doorstep".

Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:26 (two years ago) Permalink

Also reminded me how little campaigning I've seen in London this time around.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Depends where you are I suppose, obv. no point in campaigning in my constituency f'rinstance but I imagine a few doors are being knocked in Bermondsey.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:30 (two years ago) Permalink

our door's been knocked an aggravating number of times (marginal constituency) but i've seen almost no posters or signs in people's houses contra other years, you could walk through most residential neighbourhoods round here and have no idea there's an election on

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 07:33 (two years ago) Permalink

i was saying on the other thread or maybe this one, that nobody has called to my door. i guess bg/bow is nailed on labour.

yesterday a car drove down my (quiet and one-way) street and a child was shouting "vote glin robbins" (local socialist candidate) into a megaphone - it was extremely loud and weird and overall kind of wrong. who would have their child do this? it was nice to see some community spirit rising as people beeped their horn and shouted abuse, i think the car was moving very slowly. i mean, is this even legal?

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, we had a SNP guy megaphoning/driving round our part of the East End of Glasgow on Sunday morning, which seemed incredibly counterproductive - difficult to think he's making many converts, and more likely to piss off the slumbering undecideds.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:09 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah i was thinking that, that ending up 10 minutes late for something due to a politician or their son screaming into a mic is prob going to influence a person more than any policy. though i doubt anyone is voting for glin robbins anyway, it had a feeling of wacky british "banter" or something which made it even worse.

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i guess bg/bow is nailed on labour.

Can Respect really not be arsed these days or has that ship sailed?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:15 (two years ago) Permalink

dunno if they're even running. i didn't see any flyers or anything. you'd barely know anyone is running here, i got a few flyers but no other sense of anything going on.

i find it kind of pathetic that they wouldn't canvass based on "o well labour are going to win this anyway" - like is it not part of the point of this that you might meet your future mp or whatever? it's p symptomatic of the rank state of politics in this country.

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:17 (two years ago) Permalink


Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:19 (two years ago) Permalink

it's just such a farcical system, the powerlessness...

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:21 (two years ago) Permalink

bg & bow I've had a few election flyers in the past fortnight but half as many as takeaway flyers

conrad, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:21 (two years ago) Permalink

otm - they really bombard you with those - tho i've voted top taste szechuan on roman road since about 2013 and they've always got the job done.

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Time for a change?

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:25 (two years ago) Permalink

possibly, recently i was in my room listening to music and didn't hear the bell and the driver rang expressing concern for my safety - "you always answer the door quickly so i wondered if something was up"

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Christ the front pages this morning are abysmal. The Mail's in particular is farcical with the "Don't Vote Ed!11!!1!/In other news the NHS is fucked" double-hit.

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 09:52 (two years ago) Permalink

i was saying on the other thread or maybe this one, that nobody has called to my door

Tory/LD marginal here and nobody has called, or at least not while I've been in. Labour haven't even sent any leaflets round.

There are as many posters up around me as I've seen in any previous election or maybe more, though; have seen quite a few for each of the 3 (formerly?) main parties, plus Greens, but no UKIP that I recall.

Some of the Tory and Lib Dem posters are comically huge, like a couple of places have Lib Dem diamonds several feet across, just on a suburban fence or the side of their house or w/e. Also the Lib Dem ones say "winning here" which is slightly questionable since they didn't win in 2010 and they're not ahead in the most recent local poll I saw either.

I'm not really sure who'll win scrape into govt locally or nationally (not even sure who I'll vote for), but I am beginning to brace myself for either another 5 years of horrible Tory-led coalitions or 5 years of Labour ever more desperately pretending to be the Tories and having any non-horrible policies defeated (if they think of any), all to daily shrieking front pages about nanny state reds under the bed end of proud tradition of British democracy whatever. What fun we'll have.

undergraduate dance (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 10:23 (two years ago) Permalink

i was promised a "short-lived" era, wtf

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 11:30 (two years ago) Permalink

Given this overlong era is drawing to a close (in one way or another) I'm going to lock this one and keep the conversation going on the other thread:

2015 UK General Election campaign & aftermath discussion thread.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:03 (two years ago) Permalink

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