Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

agree the whole tapping/cellphone thing was totally stupid and unnecessary

You can acknowledge you're walking a line and make a point without obviously going over it to show the audience, imo. It'd be more egregious if they had a scene where Bruce Wayne was using the tech to spy on his ex-girlfriend and Harvey Dent imo.

well the main problem was that it was two movies mushed into one, and even if you'd separated them they'd both have a lot of padding.

it seems strange that a movie that moves so fast could even feel like it HAS padding but welcome to the 21st-century i guess.

i like tdk for the set pieces and (some) of the acting and just a lot of the images. i think i'm probably more immune to the lolz that come from "batman stories that bite off more adult morality than they can chew" than most people because i HAVE been reading the comics for the last 25 years. i still nolan should ditch the costumes and the high concepts and just make a '70s crime thriller or its modern m. mann style equivalent next time out thought.

I don't know if i'd characterize TDK as about DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, but it does (pretty obviously if i remember correctly) deal with moral paradox--that's kinda the Joker's whole M.O. in the movie.

tdk is pretty much spoiled by DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS tbh

there is no DEEP MORAL QUESTION raised in a batman story that can't be answered by slapping a psychopath around.

in itself, a DMQ I feel

The whole point of the Joker is that there's no moral question! He's implicitly amoral and is supposedly trying to get Batman to break his morals, but really I think that's a red herring and he's just a troll

it's basically impossible to write a batman story not spoiled by DMQs unless you're a fascist or aiming it at 6-year-olds.

the whole point of the joker is that THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME CRAZY-ASS COIN, DO YOU SEE? which has been the snooze-y subtext of every batman story since dkr/killing joke, if not before.

"the whole point of the joker in tdk" i should say.

who do we have to talk to in order to get Neil Adams' "Batman: Odyssey" incorporated into this movie

DAN OTM

http://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpg

j-j-j-j-jack your batman

(someone has to have made that joke already)

the whole point of the joker is that THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME CRAZY-ASS COIN, DO YOU SEE? which has been the snooze-y subtext of every batman story since dkr/killing joke, if not before.

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest

Batman can be made into a fugitive w/o really affecting Bruce Wayne's life so much cos as far as most know they are two different people that have nothing to do with each other. And perhaps Batman's life will change very little as well. It's not like he's going to have trouble outrunning the police if they ever chase him, and it's not like he doesn't already spend Gotham nights lurking about in the shadows.

question to comics fans: is that batman page supposed to be good or not

it is supposed to be AMAZING

not in the way neal adams meant it to be good, no

actually it's a series by a classic batman artist who is apparently batshit (lol) insane and has a plot that makes no sense, a bizarre hairy bruce wayne who breaks the fourth wall constantly, and no discernible plot

it is supposed to jack your mind into a puddle of goo

Batman can be made into a fugitive w/o really affecting Bruce Wayne's life so much cos as far as most know they are two different people that have nothing to do with each other. And perhaps Batman's life will change very little as well. It's not like he's going to have trouble outrunning the police if they ever chase him, and it's not like he doesn't already spend Gotham nights lurking about in the shadows.

What does this have to do with the text you quoted?

Casting Batman as being as crazy as The Joker has nothing to do with his status as a fugitive or whether the police are helping him or hunting him; it has to do with the question "what is acceptable behavior?" and many many writers get a lot of mileage out of wondering whether putting on skin-tight body armor and throwing boomerangs at jewel thieves is an activity that should be considered "acceptable".

also:

http://outlawmoon.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/odyssey.jpg?w=470&h=288

to be fair to neal adams a.) he's 70 now so incipient dementia is not out of the question and b.) his '70s batman was actually hairier if that's possible

'numbed to vibrating oblivion'??

batman took his shirt off A LOT in the '70s. but then it was a sexier decade.

probably Neal Adams most famous moment:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/06/gl76a.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ErCm57Gp-gM/TWe1i-F2eWI/AAAAAAAAGM8/1aIeYx5OsPs/s1600/Batman+Odyssey+1.jpg

there is essentially nothing funnier to me than hairy batman sexing talia while leaving the cowl on

tbf Neal Adams' other recent enterprise has been making videos and websites about how the earth is actually expanding and continental drift is false

"was it good? did the costumes make it good?"

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/RasAlGhul_ByTheGods.jpg

I've never understood why there's an apostrophe in Ra's Al Ghul... like, what difference in pronunciation is that supposed to signify? Rah-us?

plain old Roz not as evil-sounding I guess

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7782/batmansotd17.jpg

he is the Al Ghul that belongs to Ra, the Egyptian sun god

it's kind of like TV's Frank

the height of risque for a nine-year-old.

Ra's al Ghul is supposed to be "the demon's head" in imaginary comic writer foreign language, or maybe a bastardization of a real language

or what DJP said

The actual Arabic pronunciation of his name would be [raʔs alʁul], with a rolling "r" and a glottal stop before the "s" in "Ra's" and with a voiced uvular fricative (a French or German "r") at the beginning of "Ghul".

ty Wikipedia

so when Batman is yelling "Ra's!" that's the equivalent of yelling "demon's!"

that makes sense

there is essentially nothing funnier to me than hairy batman sexing talia while leaving the cowl on

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

this always cracked me up too, and i think it also says a lot about what made 70s batman so cool - people love to lavish praise on oneil & adams for making batman dark again, but they also made him a swashbuckling barechested bro who beds the daughter of his immortal arab arch-nemesis - that side of batman could really use a revival

holy hell these movies made a lot of money

TDK made OVER A BILLION DOLLARS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xK4IixBTZA

seriously even in the cartoon batman could not keep his shirt on around ol' ra's.

tdk was mega huge, yeah - highest grossing superhero movie ever

batman begins was actually a pretty modest success - it kinda fell into that area where it made just enough (and did really well on home video) for warner bros to greenlight a sequel

haha i forgot that motherfucking david warner was ra's on BTAS

batsignal a sequel