Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

its pretty much been confirmed that the catwoman costume's gonna be modeled on the recent redesign with the novelty oversized goggles and zipper pull

TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving

LOL

I don't think the moral questions raised in TDK can be resolved without feeling pat, preachy or "edgy"

like, if I go to a Batman movie and there's an extended tortured self-monologue where Batman goes "I need to tap everyone so I can find a lead, but I can't listen to everyone's cell phone conversations, that is a gross invasion of privacy, oh heavens I am conflicted", I am going to think that you are more interested in a political agenda than a story

but, if a side character interrupts Bats and argues the point, you are introducing conflict into the story while raising an interesting political point that may not have an easy resolution (particularly in a fictitious world), plus I would feel any repercussions from that choice played out later down the line would be better earned

basically it's about presentation

I thought the end of TDK was kind of overblown, but Gary Oldman's monologue really did put tears in my eyes

i think BB > TDK

ok I'm blind this week, I didn't notice the sky above the buildings was the batman logo until I saw the larger version of the poster on the official website

I think TDK has some amazing set pieces that are filmed and presented better than anything in BB. Either that or it just has that opening bank job where all the accomplices get killed and I love it so much I overlook the rest.

josh they have definitely used the word 'voluptuous' in describing the catwoman costume
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The opening scene is magnificent, yeah.

I think TDK has some amazing set pieces that are filmed and presented better than anything in BB. Either that or it just has that opening bank job where all the accomplices get killed and I love it so much I overlook the rest.

― mh, Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:49 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

no i think this is true. i didnt realize how awesome the truck chase was until i saw the movie again, but its really a nice piece of work. cool movie imo

the truck chase is pretty great. and I tend to hate car chase scenes

The fight scenes are a mess though.

I pretty much hate this fucking movie.

TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving

LOL

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:46 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

what an inscrutable post

maybe it just made him laugh out loud

lol

The fight scenes are a mess though.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, i think thats a limitation of the batsuit, its so clunky you have to shoot around it

It did! Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS it asks i think back to the time I've seen it and kinda have to laugh. Maybe someone needs to point out some of these to re-jog my memory. I mostly remember lots of explosions and growly voices and token 'War On Terror' references.

trying to condescend to something intellectually by saying you didn't really pay attention is... one way of doing it

welcome to America

Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS

I don't think anyone here is saying there are DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, just some complex issues that can't be resolved in a movie of this depth, and probably can't be resolved in the real world, either.

Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with.

its pretty much been confirmed that the catwoman costume's gonna be modeled on the recent redesign with the novelty oversized goggles and zipper pull

― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:41 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

O_O

what does this look like btw

Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with

for god's sake don't peak into the Tree of Life thread.

gbx:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2LBhxpmHVIc/TUTHzhsgDFI/AAAAAAAABvE/lHr1Xc-MJig/s1600/catwoman-blk-wht-1.jpg

oh ffs

http://i.imgur.com/VJFpu.jpg

tdk really needed to lose the tapping concerns, the boat subplot and dent/batman/ann other love triangle, BB only needed to lose all of neeson after the training scenes.

Still good 'event' movies tho, psyched for next one, maybe he'll learn to streamline one of these days

the boat subplot

nah this was good

it was ok until he sanitised the point at the end, fair enough.

Boat subplot was good. But really, you could have stuck it in a Die Hard and it would fit just fine.

I guess I mainly have a problem w the surveillance thing, which is brought out to obviously touch a post-9/11 nerve, and Fox even says he will resign if it's used after the emergency. But at the end of the movie they get the bad guy, destroy the thing, and Batman and Fox's consciences are clear, like nothing ever happened. Nothing really changed, other than a few discussions of how dangerous such a tool is. No consequences of it are ever shown, just feels like a morality tease to me.

Btw it really is an awesome movie and I love it and apologize if i seem to be trolling here. Just feel like some parts are 1-D 'Woah, deep!' signifiers and little else.

The tapping thing was just really annoying as a visual device too

agree the whole tapping/cellphone thing was totally stupid and unnecessary

You can acknowledge you're walking a line and make a point without obviously going over it to show the audience, imo. It'd be more egregious if they had a scene where Bruce Wayne was using the tech to spy on his ex-girlfriend and Harvey Dent imo.

well the main problem was that it was two movies mushed into one, and even if you'd separated them they'd both have a lot of padding.

it seems strange that a movie that moves so fast could even feel like it HAS padding but welcome to the 21st-century i guess.

i like tdk for the set pieces and (some) of the acting and just a lot of the images. i think i'm probably more immune to the lolz that come from "batman stories that bite off more adult morality than they can chew" than most people because i HAVE been reading the comics for the last 25 years. i still nolan should ditch the costumes and the high concepts and just make a '70s crime thriller or its modern m. mann style equivalent next time out thought.

I don't know if i'd characterize TDK as about DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, but it does (pretty obviously if i remember correctly) deal with moral paradox--that's kinda the Joker's whole M.O. in the movie.

tdk is pretty much spoiled by DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS tbh

there is no DEEP MORAL QUESTION raised in a batman story that can't be answered by slapping a psychopath around.

in itself, a DMQ I feel

The whole point of the Joker is that there's no moral question! He's implicitly amoral and is supposedly trying to get Batman to break his morals, but really I think that's a red herring and he's just a troll

it's basically impossible to write a batman story not spoiled by DMQs unless you're a fascist or aiming it at 6-year-olds.

the whole point of the joker is that THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME CRAZY-ASS COIN, DO YOU SEE? which has been the snooze-y subtext of every batman story since dkr/killing joke, if not before.

"the whole point of the joker in tdk" i should say.

who do we have to talk to in order to get Neil Adams' "Batman: Odyssey" incorporated into this movie

DAN OTM

http://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpg

j-j-j-j-jack your batman

(someone has to have made that joke already)

the whole point of the joker is that THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME CRAZY-ASS COIN, DO YOU SEE? which has been the snooze-y subtext of every batman story since dkr/killing joke, if not before.

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest

Batman can be made into a fugitive w/o really affecting Bruce Wayne's life so much cos as far as most know they are two different people that have nothing to do with each other. And perhaps Batman's life will change very little as well. It's not like he's going to have trouble outrunning the police if they ever chase him, and it's not like he doesn't already spend Gotham nights lurking about in the shadows.