WE USE BBCODE ON THIS BOARD
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, now the calum tag will never be closed on this thread
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
capital knockers, eh wot
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
They've been sort of coy about her Catwoman, no? Like, she's in it, but not much as Catwoman or something?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe she will be another dead girl for Batman to get emo over like in every other Christopher Nolan movie.
― online pinata store (Nicole), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
an emo kung-fu billionaire beating the shit out of people to avenge his dead mother really is the ultimate nolan subject
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
I think the main diff between the first two, story-wise, is that David Goyer did the screenplay for the first but he was just involved in brainstorming the story for the second
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving. It's a bit of a mess. BB is just a really well-made, atmospheric, exciting action flick.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving.
to be fair this is every "serious" batman story for the last 25 years.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
I thought BB was too cheesy/underdone in the final chase/battle where Lt. Gordon is supposedly driving Batman's vehicle and Batman is having an "oh no you didn't" conversation/fight on the train.
Most of it is pretty decent, though.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
Josh they have recently said there definitely will be a cat costume.
― Duane Barry, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
its pretty much been confirmed that the catwoman costume's gonna be modeled on the recent redesign with the novelty oversized goggles and zipper pull
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving
LOL
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think the moral questions raised in TDK can be resolved without feeling pat, preachy or "edgy"
like, if I go to a Batman movie and there's an extended tortured self-monologue where Batman goes "I need to tap everyone so I can find a lead, but I can't listen to everyone's cell phone conversations, that is a gross invasion of privacy, oh heavens I am conflicted", I am going to think that you are more interested in a political agenda than a story
but, if a side character interrupts Bats and argues the point, you are introducing conflict into the story while raising an interesting political point that may not have an easy resolution (particularly in a fictitious world), plus I would feel any repercussions from that choice played out later down the line would be better earned
basically it's about presentation
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I thought the end of TDK was kind of overblown, but Gary Oldman's monologue really did put tears in my eyes
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
i think BB > TDK
― goole, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
ok I'm blind this week, I didn't notice the sky above the buildings was the batman logo until I saw the larger version of the poster on the official website
I think TDK has some amazing set pieces that are filmed and presented better than anything in BB. Either that or it just has that opening bank job where all the accomplices get killed and I love it so much I overlook the rest.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
josh they have definitely used the word 'voluptuous' in describing the catwoman costumexp
― Genre Fiction › Men's Adventure (schlump), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
The opening scene is magnificent, yeah.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
― mh, Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:49 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
no i think this is true. i didnt realize how awesome the truck chase was until i saw the movie again, but its really a nice piece of work. cool movie imo
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
the truck chase is pretty great. and I tend to hate car chase scenes
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
The fight scenes are a mess though.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
I pretty much hate this fucking movie.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:46 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
what an inscrutable post
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it just made him laugh out loud
― goole, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― so brycey (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, i think thats a limitation of the batsuit, its so clunky you have to shoot around it
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
It did! Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS it asks i think back to the time I've seen it and kinda have to laugh. Maybe someone needs to point out some of these to re-jog my memory. I mostly remember lots of explosions and growly voices and token 'War On Terror' references.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
trying to condescend to something intellectually by saying you didn't really pay attention is... one way of doing it
― so brycey (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
welcome to America
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS
I don't think anyone here is saying there are DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, just some complex issues that can't be resolved in a movie of this depth, and probably can't be resolved in the real world, either.
Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:41 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark
O_O
what does this look like btw
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with
for god's sake don't peak into the Tree of Life thread.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
gbx:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2LBhxpmHVIc/TUTHzhsgDFI/AAAAAAAABvE/lHr1Xc-MJig/s1600/catwoman-blk-wht-1.jpg
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh ffs
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/VJFpu.jpg
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
tdk really needed to lose the tapping concerns, the boat subplot and dent/batman/ann other love triangle, BB only needed to lose all of neeson after the training scenes.
Still good 'event' movies tho, psyched for next one, maybe he'll learn to streamline one of these days
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
the boat subplot
nah this was good
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
it was ok until he sanitised the point at the end, fair enough.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Boat subplot was good. But really, you could have stuck it in a Die Hard and it would fit just fine.
I guess I mainly have a problem w the surveillance thing, which is brought out to obviously touch a post-9/11 nerve, and Fox even says he will resign if it's used after the emergency. But at the end of the movie they get the bad guy, destroy the thing, and Batman and Fox's consciences are clear, like nothing ever happened. Nothing really changed, other than a few discussions of how dangerous such a tool is. No consequences of it are ever shown, just feels like a morality tease to me.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Btw it really is an awesome movie and I love it and apologize if i seem to be trolling here. Just feel like some parts are 1-D 'Woah, deep!' signifiers and little else.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
The tapping thing was just really annoying as a visual device too
― Number None, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
agree the whole tapping/cellphone thing was totally stupid and unnecessary
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
You can acknowledge you're walking a line and make a point without obviously going over it to show the audience, imo. It'd be more egregious if they had a scene where Bruce Wayne was using the tech to spy on his ex-girlfriend and Harvey Dent imo.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
well the main problem was that it was two movies mushed into one, and even if you'd separated them they'd both have a lot of padding.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
it seems strange that a movie that moves so fast could even feel like it HAS padding but welcome to the 21st-century i guess.
i like tdk for the set pieces and (some) of the acting and just a lot of the images. i think i'm probably more immune to the lolz that come from "batman stories that bite off more adult morality than they can chew" than most people because i HAVE been reading the comics for the last 25 years. i still nolan should ditch the costumes and the high concepts and just make a '70s crime thriller or its modern m. mann style equivalent next time out thought.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if i'd characterize TDK as about DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, but it does (pretty obviously if i remember correctly) deal with moral paradox--that's kinda the Joker's whole M.O. in the movie.
― ryan, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
tdk is pretty much spoiled by DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS tbh
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link