Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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It's interesting you make a point of saying 'newer'. Are you implying it's something about the areas themselves, or that they tend to attract the nouveau riche, and that they are worse for this sort of thing than old money?

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Disclaimer - everything in this most is generalising madly. Do not attempt to call me out on it as I'm not sure I really believe it myself.

N - I might be. I dunno - I'm not proud of labelling areas or classes like that but it's been something I've noticed considerably more in 25 years of living round here.

Is it really such a leap to imagine that coupled in with the desire to move out of said urban areas is an attempt to get away from black/Asian people as much as it is an attempt to get away from all those working classes they're trying to get away from. The difference being that in all these areas - Beckenham, Bromley, I'll throw Essex in here as well, are on the outskirts of cities, on the fringe of more working-class areas like Lewisham or Walthamstow or wherever.

These areas are populated, generally speaking, by people who have moved out from their closest area of London - largely working class, largely beneficiaries of Thatcherism. So an Asian family is a symptomatic of everything my straw man trying to get away from?

This isn't to discount the fact that there are racists in Dulwich, Blackheath or Hampstead, but I've never noticed it being quite so overt as I have in, say, Bromley, where I once had to run up the high street to get away from some racist twats who tried it in a pub.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, well Dulwich, Blackheath and Hampstead are all comparatively lefty rich areas. I wonder what areas like Kensington & St John's Wood are like for it. I mean, St John's Wood has got quite a few rich Arabs now. Our old house there was bought by an Arab family, and I know some neighbours didn't like the fact they they constructed huge security gates and the like, but yes, I guess there was some insinuation that that was part of wider impression that they didn't fit into the neighbourhood. I don't know if it would have been the same if they hadn't been Arabic.

Should people feel a duty to fit into a neighbourhood? Are there 'nice' aspects of neighbourhood that rely on cultural homogenity?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, what am I doing here on a Sunday morning? Talking of BNP assholes, anyone read the totally unfunny (embarassingly unfunny) TV column by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian yesterday:

Poach Trisha from ITV and lock her in a windowless room full of clueless council estate scumbags

This cunt Brooker better pray he never runs into me - don't try it! But seriously, this kind of repulsive snobbishness seems acceptable among the "middle classes" these days, even in a liberal rag like the Guardian. Cunts.

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 30 May 2004 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link

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lee b, Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps Mr Brooker has encountered people on a council estate before that he felt were scumbags based on their attitude and behaviour - a horrible generalisation is sadly implied but otoh it's not a big leap, certainly not for the purposes of the 'joke' at hand. i agree too much about locking Trisha away to find it that offensive.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I like her.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Backtracking a bit to the Sightbill asylum seeker discussion, a point that seems to have been missed is that there was a large amount of very cheap, empty housing available in the Sighthill/Springburn area because local residents would rather have stayed on the waiting list for something nicer than go into the tall flats (not surprising - although they've been done up a bit on the insides, the outsides are covered in supposedly pigeonproof netting and caked-on shit from the birds that made it through to roost on the balconies and when it rains the car park turns into a lake).

As far as I'm aware, there is not such a surplus of accommodation in Milngavie.

Madchen (Madchen), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who appears on Trisha gives their demographic a bad name or risks appearing a cornholio prolio - it's kind of in the rules.

Madchen, it's always amazed me just how urgently needed and desirable high-rise flats suddenly become, usually by people who've turned down similar housing, when asylum seekers move into them.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
We got one of those B|\|P leaflets through the door with all the other election rubbish, the irony of it did not escape us….

As for the Royal Mail delivering this crud, well that’s the biggest irony of all, if only they’d done that last time around!

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

hi plinky.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, hello RJG...

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is a huge worry that racism seems to be on the increase thanks to Blunkett/ tabloid fueled paranoia about immigrants. It also, on the flip sides, puts the liberal press on the defensive meaning that ANY sort of valid debate about issues regarding religion (be it the suppresion of women/ circumcision et al) gets thrown out the window as taboo. So no one wins.

C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Stelfox and Mark C = perfect additions to a Calum thread

Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Can we bump Carmody's "I was watching videos of black men being lynched the other day, and that happened to remind me of Stelfox" thread?

Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

Mark C, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, everything was overheated by then!

Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2007 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"If you can get someone that's so right-wing to be converted, then a normal prisoner is going to have absolutely no chance."

lololololololololololololol

DG, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice to see some sympathy for the BNP upthread.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:14 (fifteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

-- Mark C, Friday, July 6, 2007 9:57 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

lawl

banriquit, Saturday, 21 June 2008 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

my local asshole threatens national asshole with death

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

How are these clowns doing in Barking btw? Anyone seen any polls on that constituency?

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

According to...ahem...a Daily Mail article by Peter Oborne - "Local opinion polls show that BNP leader Nick Griffin stands an excellent chance of unseating veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge". Don't know where he's getting his info from though.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link

... inside his head

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link


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