Batman carries on beginning in ... The Dark Knight

ayo slocki & other non-tuomas dudes i got real real bored at batman begins & skipped this ish cuz 1) dont believe the hype 2) it looked like some b.s.... would i actually be feeling it?? is joker actually funny?? i love jack nicholson "he's at home.. WASHING HIS TIGHTS!!@!@!" joker and poncey animated series joker not self-cutter emo juggaloker and christian bale is pretty f'n lame too imo

see i think a major fallacy of your argument, tuomas, is the idea that because TDK is dark & serious that it is somehow "realist." it's no more realistic than a joel schumacher batman. there's nothing REALISTIC about any of these movies at all. nolan's is as much a fable as a tim burton batman movie, just in a different key. i agree that superhero stuff works better as fantasy, but fantasy does not have to = goofy or funny. most fables and fairy tales are pretty f'ing dark.

― s1ocki, Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark'

i don't understand why you are still saying these things to him over and over. you are comnpletely correct, and everything you say is 100% truth bomb but he's just going to come back with some false tautology like "harvey dent is ludicrous because i think his character looked silly with makeup and also i think that maggie gyllenhaal wouldn't be his type anyway" and you're back to square one.

this movie is way too long but it has some pretty awesome stuff, i really liked heath ledger as the joker--definitely brings something new to the role, this sort of oopsy little-boy-ness that is deeply creepy. some pretty good set pieces though if it does get way too self-serious by the end. i dug it mostly!

yo schef that was actually the first time i've confronted t-bone on this contentious issue and i prob will not re-engage if that is the response i get (i didnt bother reading the whole thread so maybe what i've said has already been gone over 1mill times)

i just watched this on DVD and enjoyed it even more because i could just watch it without thinking about "oh is this as good as it supposed to be" blah blah blah

oh also andwhat, if you want to know my track record on batman, i thought hte first one was awesome until he actually put on the batman suit, then i thought it got a little lame

lol i guess i just had you confused with EVERYONE ELSE ON ILX EVER sorry!!!

I second you, and what.

AW i thought it was ok; bale is awful in it but ledger is p tyte and kinda makes it watchable

i don't understand why you are still saying these things to him over and over. you are comnpletely correct, and everything you say is 100% truth bomb but he's just going to come back with some false tautology like "harvey dent is ludicrous because i think his character looked silly with makeup and also i think that maggie gyllenhaal wouldn't be his type anyway" and you're back to square one.

Yeah, arguments based on opinions are like houses on sand.

s1ocki otm once again and can we please not call Tuomas T-bone lolz thx

ive been calling him t-bag for 8 months now

ledger is definitely not not self-cutter emo juggaloker on this

in this, lol

but i can understand not wanting to see this if you didn't dig the first one

self-cutter emo juggaloker on dis ting

ledger is definitely not not self-cutter emo juggaloker on this

I would have hated this movie if that had been the case.

fwiw Batman Begins left very little impression on me, and i kinda ignored DK hype and saw it at the very end of its theatrical run, and thought it was pretty awesome.

Joker blowing up Maggie G. with flammable Faygo I could see, though.

anyway picked up the DVD the other day, thought the movie still held up. slocki otm, as usual:

this movie is way too long but it has some pretty awesome stuff, i really liked heath ledger as the joker--definitely brings something new to the role, this sort of oopsy little-boy-ness that is deeply creepy. some pretty good set pieces though if it does get way too self-serious by the end. i dug it mostly!

The second disc has the IMAX scenes isolated in their original aspect ratio. It's the best way to watch the opening bank heist scene and the batpod/Joker chase.

bale is 'awful'?? i def wouldnt go that far

i think this movie is great -- yah a little long but it didnt get in the way -- and i think that s1ocki's concern about it getting 'self serious' at the end actually works in its favor, it feels like a comic book in the same way we talked about casino royale being good because it had long boring parts like a book, lolz

its better than batman begins by a lot, first scene is an incredible opener too -- one of my favorite movies this year. id be surprised if AW wasnt feeling it after watching it but then what do i know

The second disc has the IMAX scenes isolated in their original aspect ratio. It's the best way to watch the opening bank heist scene and the batpod/Joker chase.

― You go, Squirrel TM (latebloomer), Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya it does that on bluray, cool effect

deej the seriousness mostly really bugged me when batman and lucius fox have a big argument about cell phone privacy... like why was that needed in this movie

That fed into the overarching "Batman is fucking crazy" narrative that drives the story.

ya but it was dumb

i thought that tied into the 'batman does what other people cant do' thing, dark knight vs. white knight overarching premise

i dont disagree w/ 'self serious', it was pretty 'lonely dude just thinkin big thoughts' but it sort of gave me 'serious comic book philosophy' vibes which wasnt a bad thing imo

or it didnt hurt my enjoyment of it

i just thought it was a dumb time to introduce this whole new conflict with lucius and to have him just bounce so quickly like that... seemed like that was a bigger part of a previous draft or something

also the technology seemed a bit too magical or something... or it just reminded me of like 80s movie techno deus ex machina stuff

I don't know, the entire point of Batman is ninja ass-kicking + magic technology + oh shit he crazy, so that whole thing didn't faze me at all.

^likes this post

i don't understand why you are still saying these things to him over and over. you are comnpletely correct, and everything you say is 100% truth bomb but he's just going to come back with some false tautology like "harvey dent is ludicrous because i think his character looked silly with makeup and also i think that maggie gyllenhaal wouldn't be his type anyway" and you're back to square one.

Yeah, arguments based on opinions are like houses on sand.

― B.L.A.M., Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:03 PM (3 hours ago)

because that's clearly the point being made!

also i agree about the cell phone thing! especially since it led to something as ridiculous as that particular technology. it didn't take me out of the movie and make me dislike it (and i honestly forgot about it until it was just brought up) but damn that was eye-rolling. it was just a weird conflict, and then nothing came of them having this conflict, for no reason, and the scene was kind of dumb in the end and it was utterly forgettable.

^^ this

was not necessary

it was less the nature of the technology than the narrative shit it kicked off

regardless i think we all agree that AW should see the movie -- its v v good imo

yeah it is worth it for heath ledger sliding down a pile of money and than lighting it on fire as far as i am concerned

it reminded me of the waterboarding scene in iron man, just some shit cummin outta nowhere to make u b like 'hmm this makes me think~'

nah i mean that'd be like the batman brutality scene in the jail to me, would be analogous.

i got a kick out of the movie trying so hard to Say Something about every ongoing conflict in modern usa life 2008. but my taste in that kind of thing is sort of perverse (deadwood lol) so ymmv.

xp heh

The flipside to "oh shit he's crazy" is "but he knows this"; the argument would have escalated had Bruce not made Lucius the custodian of the phone array, but Bruce being smart and generally decent (if crazy) knew he could get use out of it that one time as long as he promised Lucius that he could destroy it once The Joker had been caught. Besides, it's not like he couldn't reresearch and rebuild it at a later point if he didn't want to! The conflict basically was put off because the need go after Joker BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY was paramount.

I basically saw that whole scene (and the bits that led up to it) as foreshadowing for a much more fascist Batman in movie #3 (a move also made easier by his decision to embrace the outlaw role to protect Harvey's reputation/inspirational power).

^likes batgirl

can't lie, ws

Why does Nolan hate Batgirl/Barbara Gordon so much that he wouldn't even show the child version of her in this movie? That's what I found weird.

my nightmare of this thread repeating itself wholesale when the DVD was released has come true

except there was less tuomas bashing before

the whole suggest ban thing is turning ilx into some lord of the flies / crucible type shit

house of un-suggestiban activities

have you now or have you ever been a member of the troll party

BURN THE TROLL BURN HIM

once he's gone we'll look for the next nail sticking up

hammer 'em down

's cool