Mac OS X Lion 10.7

Not to worry; SL first GM was like this too. The builds they give devs are usually older builds that are slightly more stable. Apple GMs aren't really GM at all.

I'm in love with natural scrolling now too, after hating it for two days solid.

otm

I've not yet used the new scrolling but it seems logical as hell to move your fingers in the direction you want the content to move, as though you're pushing a bit of paper up and down (q.v. ipad). In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.

okay the "all my files" view is winnar.

really? seems utterly useless and pointless to me.

I know it's nothing you can't do already but I like the idea of a standard view that just shows you everything you have. System-wide text search makes everything else redundant imo, but still.

Maybe it's just cos I've got 10,000+ files, but a view that (checks) opens with 6 calendar events from 2006, 10 ancient screen shots, some random PDFs and crappy mid files etc is a view I'm never going into again.

oh fuck, really?

In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.

it comes from the double function of scrollbars - both a "handle" for manipulating a document and a visual indicator of where you were in that document. it worked pretty well imo. but now with touch interfaces no "handle" is required

have you ever had issues or are you just a for-life conspiracy skeptic?

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tbf i agree with him totally on this and i am an OG apple stan.

to be fair I'd recommend most users wait for the 10.x.1 release for most releases

but I'm not most users

well exactly. sure, call out AA for his paranoia/jobs obsession/prejudice, but he's 100% otm about this.

by the way, is 10.6.8 ok?

I've had no issues thus far, but I think I only have it installed on one of two machines.

I'm not upgrading to snow leopard til we get to 10.6.9

lol

loooool @ u all, i'm still on os 9

. . .

classilla ftw

ok seriously autocorrect can GTF. it's turned otm into tom like 15 times now. Learn, ffs.

TOM.

Srsly tho: is autocorrect built into 10.7?

Can you not turn it off?

it is built in, same model as iPhone's, and tbh it's handy enough to want to keep it on, but they need to add a way to remove/update the dictionary, srsly.

oh it supposedly does "smart" quotes too. that's not working.

Seems utterly pointless when you're on a full keyboard. Also, fuck everything that cultivates bad typing habits.

hold down the 'e' key in this tèxt bóx

Wait, so holding down a key doesn't do key repeat anymore?

otmbot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOG25fM8so

I feel a little ashamed for kind of knowingly nodding partway through

what version is the stock python on 10.7?

Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:05)
[GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on darwin

thanking you

so tomorrow

Now it's official I've installed it on my MacBook and full-screen apps are worth the price alone, basically.

Is anything broken? I don't want to update and find all my softwares broken.

i like that you dont need a license for each installation

PPC apps are out -- there's no Rosetta at all. (So that's CS3 and older dead). Everything else seems to be working so far.

You've never needed a license for OSX installations.

Just read iTunes is finally going to be 64bit Cocoa whatever updated. I've been waiting years and years for iTunes to not be a pain in my ass.

It's still a pain in the ass; just a 64bit one.

Getting used to the scrolling, but everything seems to have come through smoothly. I downloaded it this morning and the install only took about 30 minutes. Nice!

doing this tonight :)

Always entertaining when the Spotlight indexing takes twice as long as the install

OK, I decided to roll the dice and be a dumbass. The Lion install went so smoothly on my macbook pro that I connected to my Mac Pro via vnc and kicked off the install. It should come back up in an hour or so, right? :)

i'm on lion now -- glad to be back to the mac after it taking over an hour & a half plus to do its stuff

Encrypted Time Capsule backups (along with full-disc encryption) a nice touch. The big Ars Technica article gets into it.

PPC apps are out -- there's no Rosetta at all. (So that's CS3 and older dead). Everything else seems to be working so far.

My CS3 is Intel, not PPC. Or at least that's what Activity Monitor is telling me.

Must be CS2 that's PPC. I don't know if CS3 works though -- heard people complaining about it. Are you running Lion now?

they keep threatening to resurrect quicksilver but afaict the og developer is basically insane and its open source community is not much better.

http://www.alfredapp.com/powerpack/

http://www.alfredapp.com/images/powerpack/itunes-mini-player.jpg

if you don't use the desktop then obv show desktop is not useful. i just use the default expose shortcut for that when i need it.

bottom left hot corner is lock screen for me.

oh, wait, I thought the user was searching for "Polite Dance Song" and got Elliott Smith, nm xp

xxp oh great, more helvetica

the basic thing is spotlight is so much more than a launcher and as a result the UI isn't really optimized for launching stuff (and certainly not the kind of object verb subject stuff that even the basic dedicated launchers do). so get a real launcher, disable/reuse the spotlight shortcut, and one the rare occasions you need to use it's full text search then click the spotlight icon or use the keyboard shortcut that opens the dedicated spotlight window.

that is how i break it down

i use the desktop as a scratchpad so flicking between apps and the desktop comes in handy. its usually empty.

hahaha re: the hate for upper left. i chose it just cause the gesture of flinging the pointer up-left to reveal felt natural.

caek, what kind of object verb subject stuff do you do on a regular basis?

ftp, email, append to clipboard

probably some other stuff

when I picture caek using his mac, it looks like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q

yeah, i can imagine using those

i use the desktop as a scratchpad

Sorry, I don't get what you mean. Temp file storage (e.g. text files), or an actual scratchpad like a big magna-doodle?

real launchers also have a bunch of stuff built in that is basically just executing an applescript but is convenient to have prewritten (play/pause, show someone's phone number in big text, drill through folders, move, delete...)

when i use a mac it is more like http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/134336/focus=134979

jeez how does the mailman get your replies back to ILX so quickly

another thing i use it for is searches, e.g. i can type cmd-space then "a z" then space then type some text and a browser tab launches with it searched for on amazon. if i type "a z d e" then it searches amazon.de.

it also has clipboard history. i hit cmd-opt-\ and i get a list of the last 40 things i put in my clipboard. i can either scroll down or type a few letters from the entry i want, then hit turn to put the item back in the clipboard. this is on the verge of becoming bloatware, but LB does a way better job of it than the dedicated clipboard things that i don't mind. clipboard history is one of those things you don't know how you lived without.

youre just asking to have that used against you in a court of law

I love LB and probably use 15% of it's features.

lol xp my current history is basically just me stalking you on ilx

http://i.minus.com/ibaAv2d4pQqRqx.png

tbh unless I'm doing a search, I never look at the UI of Spotlight

I usually just type the first few characters of an app name and hit enter

chilling xp

so caek, you're a launchbar guy? don't quite recognize that launcher

ha at me uploading my government phone number to ilx in a screenshot

we need a "indefensible: stallman" thread

scratchpad is the wrong word. i just treat it like an actual desk. shit I'm working on goes there and i clean up when I'm done.

ah righto

btw sorry to rail against the whole metaphor of a desktop, I just hate things being on my desktop and forget that other people use it for real things

gassée on nextstep/be os: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-story-behind-apples-next-os-in-1996-video/63196

I'll watch the video when I'm not at work but this quote:

“Thank god that didn’t happen, because I hated Apple’s management.”

..is completely hilarious in context. Had Gassée made the sale, he could have probably quit Be/Apple and retired a rich man. He basically flubbed the entire negotiation. On the other side of the coin, Jobs actually disliked most of the managers as well and as his influence grew upon his return, he cleaned house.