Batman carries on beginning in ... The Dark Knight

And like I said, I liked DK more than BB, but there were certain things in it that I still didn't think worked so well, like Dent's transformation to Two-Face. Is that really a challenging opinion?

i think its a challop, unless you slept through the 90s, to imply that a wacky hijinks batman would be a good direction to go in.

Tuomas, there is no way anybody can mount a successful argument against your opinion that Harvey Dent's character arc into Two-Face seems ludicrous. You have structured your statement in such a way that is is essentially impossible to address without engaging in straw man or ad hominem fallacies (I didn't say that, why are you attacking me). Frankly you do this all the time, and for all intents, it boils down to flamebait.
So I'm giving you a fucking break and asking everybody else not to engage you in arguing about it so this thread stays open, I stay sane, you stay registered as a poster, and yellow cards are kept to a minimum.

You're pretty high up in the Suggest Ban standings. You may want to take a little bit of time and think about why that is (hint: I just told you).

Meanwhile, Brit RACHEL WEISZ is said to be up for the Catwoman role.

^^ oh hells yes

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u r welcome

You have structured your statement in such a way that is is essentially impossible to address without engaging in straw man or ad hominem fallacies (I didn't say that, why are you attacking me).

Hold on, what do you mean by this? My statement was just my honest opinion on the movie, I didn't mean it to be some sort of argument that can't be criticized, in fact I'd like to hear differing opinions on this thing.

So I'm giving you a fucking break and asking everybody else not to engage you in arguing about it so this thread stays open, I stay sane, you stay registered as a poster, and yellow cards are kept to a minimum. You're pretty high up in the Suggest Ban standings. You may want to take a little bit of time and think about why that is (hint: I just told you).

Hold on, is having differing opinions really enough to get suggest bans or yellow cards? If so, things have gotten kinda sad. I thought bans and yellow cards were meant to be only for personal abuse and stuff like that.

(The "Most consistent ILX posters" thread is a different issue, and I'm sorry for that.)

My statement was just my honest opinion on the movie

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Eddie Murphy, star of FAT BITCH and WHO DAT HINJA, in... THIS HONKY RIDDLER BE TRIPPIN'!

you guys realize this Sun story is BS right?

at least it's a bit more thought out than the one saying the guy from Twilight was the new Joker

Who the hell want robin in the film?
Will remember not to get excited about this one when it's coming out.

Apart from Weisz...

...drool.

the story IS probably a load of bull, but I wants me some catweisz.

but does murphy remember how to act while not wearing a fat suit?

Dude got an Oscar nom for "Showgirls!"

Basically, Eddie Murphy is a good actor who seems to desperately need a good director otherwise he runs roughshod over the movies he appears in (see also: Jim Carrey).

That Weisz shot feels astonishing.

That's not the only thing that feels astonishing.

I seem to remember reading Christian Bale said that he wouldn't do a Batman film with Robin in it.

Oh yeah:

“If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I’ll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work.”

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/02/christian-bale-rules-out-robin-for-batman-3-and-beyond/

Dude got an Oscar nom for "Showgirls!"

Kyle McLachlan and Elizabeth Berkeley both should have been nominated.

Now I'm imagining a scene where Eddie Murphy gives Kyle M. a lapdance while Elizabeth Berkley watches.

I agree with Tuomas. I enjoyed TDK but as soon as Batman himself showed up I was thrown out of the movie briefly. In the serious/realistic world Nolan bases the story, a man dressed like that just appears ridiculous. Is ridiculous.

people who have never been attacked in a dark warehouse by a ninja dressed as a bat always think it's "ridiculous."

You know, if you're not going to buy into the baseline conceit of a movie, you might be better off spending your time doing something else instead of watching it. It's not like it was a huge SURPRISE that a) the tone was going to be gritty-serious, and b) it would feature a dude in a cape.

much like a king boy pato post

Well, I've said it before and I don't really want to go to that debate again (see the Batman Begins thread), but since superheroes are by their very nature a fantasy/non-realist idea, if you take them too seriously the results will be either silly or morally questionable. Superheroes stories tend to work best if you treat them as modern fables rather than serious, realistic stories. Burton realized that, and I think he found a nice balance between "dark" and "playful". Nolan hasn't quite made it yet, but at least Dark Knight was an improvement over Batman Begins. I liked how he treated Joker more like a symbol than a "real" person with "real" psychological backstory. Though Two-Face didn't really work exactly because they tried to give him a "proper", credible psychological reason for becoming a villain, and it sounded ludicrous.

― Tuomas, Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:45 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see i think a major fallacy of your argument, tuomas, is the idea that because TDK is dark & serious that it is somehow "realist." it's no more realistic than a joel schumacher batman. there's nothing REALISTIC about any of these movies at all. nolan's is as much a fable as a tim burton batman movie, just in a different key. i agree that superhero stuff works better as fantasy, but fantasy does not have to = goofy or funny. most fables and fairy tales are pretty f'ing dark.

http://videogum.com/archives/casting-calls/eddie-murphy-is-not-going-to-b_042181.html

ayo slocki & other non-tuomas dudes i got real real bored at batman begins & skipped this ish cuz 1) dont believe the hype 2) it looked like some b.s.... would i actually be feeling it?? is joker actually funny?? i love jack nicholson "he's at home.. WASHING HIS TIGHTS!!@!@!" joker and poncey animated series joker not self-cutter emo juggaloker and christian bale is pretty f'n lame too imo

see i think a major fallacy of your argument, tuomas, is the idea that because TDK is dark & serious that it is somehow "realist." it's no more realistic than a joel schumacher batman. there's nothing REALISTIC about any of these movies at all. nolan's is as much a fable as a tim burton batman movie, just in a different key. i agree that superhero stuff works better as fantasy, but fantasy does not have to = goofy or funny. most fables and fairy tales are pretty f'ing dark.

― s1ocki, Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark'

i don't understand why you are still saying these things to him over and over. you are comnpletely correct, and everything you say is 100% truth bomb but he's just going to come back with some false tautology like "harvey dent is ludicrous because i think his character looked silly with makeup and also i think that maggie gyllenhaal wouldn't be his type anyway" and you're back to square one.

this movie is way too long but it has some pretty awesome stuff, i really liked heath ledger as the joker--definitely brings something new to the role, this sort of oopsy little-boy-ness that is deeply creepy. some pretty good set pieces though if it does get way too self-serious by the end. i dug it mostly!

yo schef that was actually the first time i've confronted t-bone on this contentious issue and i prob will not re-engage if that is the response i get (i didnt bother reading the whole thread so maybe what i've said has already been gone over 1mill times)

i just watched this on DVD and enjoyed it even more because i could just watch it without thinking about "oh is this as good as it supposed to be" blah blah blah

oh also andwhat, if you want to know my track record on batman, i thought hte first one was awesome until he actually put on the batman suit, then i thought it got a little lame

lol i guess i just had you confused with EVERYONE ELSE ON ILX EVER sorry!!!

I second you, and what.

AW i thought it was ok; bale is awful in it but ledger is p tyte and kinda makes it watchable

i don't understand why you are still saying these things to him over and over. you are comnpletely correct, and everything you say is 100% truth bomb but he's just going to come back with some false tautology like "harvey dent is ludicrous because i think his character looked silly with makeup and also i think that maggie gyllenhaal wouldn't be his type anyway" and you're back to square one.

Yeah, arguments based on opinions are like houses on sand.

s1ocki otm once again and can we please not call Tuomas T-bone lolz thx

ive been calling him t-bag for 8 months now

ledger is definitely not not self-cutter emo juggaloker on this

in this, lol

but i can understand not wanting to see this if you didn't dig the first one

self-cutter emo juggaloker on dis ting

ledger is definitely not not self-cutter emo juggaloker on this

I would have hated this movie if that had been the case.

fwiw Batman Begins left very little impression on me, and i kinda ignored DK hype and saw it at the very end of its theatrical run, and thought it was pretty awesome.

Joker blowing up Maggie G. with flammable Faygo I could see, though.

anyway picked up the DVD the other day, thought the movie still held up. slocki otm, as usual:

this movie is way too long but it has some pretty awesome stuff, i really liked heath ledger as the joker--definitely brings something new to the role, this sort of oopsy little-boy-ness that is deeply creepy. some pretty good set pieces though if it does get way too self-serious by the end. i dug it mostly!

The second disc has the IMAX scenes isolated in their original aspect ratio. It's the best way to watch the opening bank heist scene and the batpod/Joker chase.

bale is 'awful'?? i def wouldnt go that far

i think this movie is great -- yah a little long but it didnt get in the way -- and i think that s1ocki's concern about it getting 'self serious' at the end actually works in its favor, it feels like a comic book in the same way we talked about casino royale being good because it had long boring parts like a book, lolz

its better than batman begins by a lot, first scene is an incredible opener too -- one of my favorite movies this year. id be surprised if AW wasnt feeling it after watching it but then what do i know

The second disc has the IMAX scenes isolated in their original aspect ratio. It's the best way to watch the opening bank heist scene and the batpod/Joker chase.

― You go, Squirrel TM (latebloomer), Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya it does that on bluray, cool effect

deej the seriousness mostly really bugged me when batman and lucius fox have a big argument about cell phone privacy... like why was that needed in this movie