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I am SEEKING a poem - "Letter To A Friend" by Stallworthy? It is in the Norton Anthology, which I obviously do not have. For some reason I cannot sleep until I have this poem which I cannot find on the web, and I refuse to leave my house (good bookstores are many miles away)until I have it. So there. please help.

aimurchie, Friday, 14 May 2004 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

'Letter to a Friend', Jon Stallworthy

1          You blame me that I do not write
2          with the accent of the age:
3          the eunuch voice of scholarship,
4          or the reformer's rage
5          (blurred by a fag-end in the twisted lip).
6          You blame me that I do not call
7          truculent nations to unite.
8          I answer that my poems all
9          are woven out of love's loose ends;
10        for myself and for my friends.

11        You blame me that I do not face
12        the banner-headline fact
13        of rape and death in bungalows,
14        cities and workmen sacked.
15        Tomorrow's time enough to rant of those,
16        when the whirlpool sucks us in.
17        Turn away from the bitter farce,
18        or have you now forgotten
19        that cloud, star, leaf, and water's dance
20        are facts of life, and worth your glance?

21        You blame me that I do not look
22        at cities, swivelled, from
23        the eye of the crazy gunman, or
24        the man who drops the bomb.
25        Twenty years watching from an ivory tower
26        taller than your chimney-stack,
27        I have seen fields beyond the smoke:
28        and think it better that I make
29        in the sloganed wall the people pass,
30        a window---not a looking-glass.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 May 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, Cozen, thank you thank you! I can now go to sleep.

aimurchie, Friday, 14 May 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oft in the stilly night
Ere slumber's chain has bound me,
Fond mem'ry brings the light
Of other days around me:
The smiles, the tears of boyhood years,
The words of love then spoken;
The eyes that shone,
Now dimm'd and gone,
The cheerful hearts now broken!
Thus in the stilly night
Ere slumber's chain has bound me,
Sad mem'ry brings the light
Of other days around me.

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 15 May 2004 09:59 (nineteen years ago) link

There will be time, there will be time...
for all the works and days of hands
That lift and drop a question on your plate;
Time for you and time for me,
And time for yet a hundred indicisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before taking toast and tea.
...
Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
...
And should I then presume?
And how should I begin?
...
And would it have been worth it, after all,
After the cups, the marmalade, the tea,
Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me,
Would it have been worth while
To have bitten off the matter with a smile,
To have squeezed the universe into a ball
To roll it toward some overwhelming question,
...
And this, and so much more?--

(TSE, of course. Some poetry to celebrate my birthday! Among some talk --and time for-- you and me.!)

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(And happy birthday, especially if your name is "Nick".)

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I just re-read Lauren's and, for the second time, felt the screen swaying. It's possible I may be Getting Into Poetry.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

gregory!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Breakin' the rules in re: 10 lines but you all need to feel this mad science from Eugene Field, corny but important, un-celebrated Western U.S. poet who occasionally dropped the shtick for gems like these:

"The Truth About Horace."

It is very aggravating
To hear the solemn prating
Of the fossils who are stating
That old Horace was a prude;
When we know that with the ladies
He was always raising Hades
And with many an escapade his
Best productions are imbued.

There's really not much harm in a
Large number of his carmina
But these people find alarm in a
Few records of his acts;
So they'd squelch the muse caloric,
And to students sophomoric
They'd present as metaphoric
What old Horace meant for facts.

We have always thought 'em lazy;
Now we adjudge 'em crazy!
Why, Horace was a daisy
That was very much alive!
And the wisest of us know him
As his Lydia verses show him,--
Go, read that virile poem,--
It is No. 25.

He was a very owl, sir,
And starting out to prowl, sir,
You bet he made Rome howl, sir,
Until he filled his date;
With a massic-laden ditty
And a classic maiden pretty
He painted up the city,
And Maecenas paid the freight!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 16 May 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

1627

The pedigree of Honey
Does not concern the Bee,
Nor lineage of Ecstasy
Delay the Butterfly
On spangle journeys to the peak
Of some perceiveless thing—
The right of way to Tripoli
A more essential thing.

--

The Pedigree of Honey
Does not concern the Bee—
A Clover, any time, to him,
Is Aristocracy—

~Emily Dickinson

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 16 May 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Bought a neat little anthology today entitled "The Poet Dreaming in the Artist's House: Contemporary Poems about the Visual Arts"

[...]
Here I am, floating through the sky
with my head on wrong
so that my hair tickles my neck
and my chin sticks up,
and the lovers kissing in the garden
look comical, their feet straining
to touch the ground.
It's been a long time since someone
kissed me in the garden.
My mouth's up too high.
[...]

Rene Wenger - "After Chagall"

bnw (bnw), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(My reading went well, by the way, and Catherine Daly was a great person. This has been a weekend filled with poetry and talk about poetry and I am exhausted and happy.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yay chris good for you,
poetry is a good thing,
glad you kicked some azz

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I do not want to be reflective any more
Envying and despising unreflective things
Finding pathos in dogs and undeveloped handwriting
And young girls doing their hair and all the castles of sand
Flushed by the children's bedtime, level with the shore.

The tide comes in and goes out again, I do not want
To be always stressing either its flux or its permanence,
I do not want to be a tragic or philosophic chorus
But to keep my eye only on the nearer future
And after that let the sea flow over us.

Come then all of you, come closer, form a circle,
Join hands and make believe that joined
Hands will keep away the wolves of water
Who howl along our coast. And be it assumed
That no one hears them among the talk and laughter.

['Wolves' - Louis Macneice]

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Brilliant.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

THE ELECTRIC BRAE [from Nil Nil (1993), Faber and Faber]

1 For three days and three nights, he has listened
2 to the pounding of a terrible jug band
3 now reduced to a wheezy concertina
4 and the disinterested thump of a tea-chest bass.
5 It seems safe to look: wires trail on the pillowcase,
6 a drip swings overhead; then the clear tent
7 becomes his father's clapped-out Morris Minor,
8 rattling towards home. The windscreen presents
9 the unshattered myth of a Scottish spring;
10 with discreet complicity, the road
11 swerves to avoid the solitary cloud.
12 On an easy slope, his father lets the engine
13 cough into silence. Everything is still.
14 He frees the brake: the car surges uphill.

- Don Paterson

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 May 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

My heart of silk
is filled with lights,
with lost bells,
with lilies and bees.
I will go very far,
farther than those hills,
farther than the seas,
close to the stars,
to beg Christ the Lord
to give back the soul I had
of old, when I was a child,
ripened with legends,
with a feathered cap
and a wooden sword.

- Federico Garcia Lorca

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

these ways of feeling
won't do. neither the eyes nor the fingers.
nor those warmed-up leftovers, memories,
nor kindness, like an evil little parakeet.
take the inductive reasonings and the racks
where the washed and ironed words are hanging.
ransack the whole house, everything out,
leave me like a hole or a stump.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

clearcut - julio cortazar

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 17 May 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wee, sleeket, cowran, tim'rous beastie,
O, what panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!
I'm truly sorry Man's dominion
Has broken Nature's social union,
An' justifies that ill opinion,
Which makes thee startle,
At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
An' fellow-mortal!

I doubt na, whyles, but thou may thieve;
What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
A daimen-icker in a thrave 'S a sma' request:
I'll get a blessin wi' the lave,
An' never miss't!

Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin!
It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
O' foggage green!
An' bleak December's winds ensuin,
Baith snell an' keen!

Thou saw the fields laid bare an' wast,
An' weary Winter comin fast,
An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
Thou thought to dwell,
Till crash! the cruel coulter past
Out thro' thy cell.

That wee-bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
Now thou's turn'd out, for a' thy trouble,
But house or hald.
To thole the Winter's sleety dribble,
An' cranreuch cauld!

But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

Still, thou art blest, compar'd wi' me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e'e,
On prospects drear!
An' forward, tho' I canna see,
I guess an' fear!

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Milton, right? ;-)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Not Milton...me. I wrote it after several cocktails, thus the weird spelling thing.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:06 (nineteen years ago) link

you're very good.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I had forgotten that the "mice and men" phrase was from Burns. it seems appropriate just now.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The dream went like a rake of sliced bamboo,
slats of the dust distracted by downdraw;
I woke and knew I held a cigarette;
I looked, there was none, could have been none;
I slept the years and I woke again,
palming the floor, shaking the sheets. I found
nothing smoking. I am awake, I see
the cigarette burn safely in my fingers. . . .
They come this path, old friends, old buffs of death.
Tonight it's Randall, the spark of fire though humbled,
his gnawed wrist cradled like his Kitten. 'What kept you so long,
racing your cooling grindstone to ambition?
Surely this life was fast enough. . . . But tell me,
Cal, why did we live? Why do we die?'

Scott & Anya (thoia), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Lowell, Notebook, School, 2 Randall Jarrell

Scott & Anya (thoia), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Al patro, kvin klaftojn profunde,
la ostoj igxis koralo,
du perloj okulas subfrunte,
kaj lin ne trafos disfalo,
sed mara metamofozo
en ricxo kaj kuriozo.
Marnimfoy lin sonorilas ofte.
(Ding-dong.)
Awd'! Sonorilo. Ding-dong. Softe.


(translated by K. Kalocsay)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i like that Lowell piece, esp that winding first sentence.

what language is that translated to/from, chris?

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

To me, that man is like a god -
more than a god, if I can say it -
who, sitting opposite you, again and again,
sees and hears

you sweetly laughing, when all my
senses have been torn from me: for, Lesbia,
as soon as I see you I've nothing left
[...]

but my tongue is choked, my limbs
shiver aflame, my ears
echo with their own ringing, my eyes
shroud in night.

Leisure, Catullus, is bad for you:
at leisure you luxuriate and lust too much.
before now, leisure has ruined kings
and great cities.


Catullus 51, translated by me (with much (poetic) licence. pls to forgive).


Casuistry, is that in Esperanto, or?

cis (cis), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

That is Esperanto, yes. (If you're trying to sound it out, pronounce "j" as "y", "gx" as a soft "g", and "cx" as "ch", "aw" as "au", and always stress the penultimate syllable.)

It's translated from English, but now I'm going to get all coy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

light spreads darkly downwards from the high
clusters of lights over empty chairs
that face each other, coloured differently.
through open doors, the dining-room declares
a larger loneliness of knives and glass
and silence laid like carpet. a porter reads
an unsold evening paper. hours pass,
and all the salesmen have gone back to leeds,
leaving full ashtrays in the conference room.

in shoeless corridors, the lights burn. how
isolated, like a fort, it is -
the headed paper, made for writing home
(if home existed) letters of exile: now
night comes on. waves fold behind villages.

philip larkin - friday night in the royal station hotel

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Casuistry - Is it from a full esperanto trans of the Tempest, or just on its own? (actually, a production in which Ariel's songs alone are in Esperanto could be really neat.)

cis (cis), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It's from a full translation.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

...
Or the occasional pear on the dashboard
of the unreliable Austin Cambridge
waiting after school when he was on mornings
that my father brought me,
breiefly suspended between un- and over-ripe,
between being and non-being,
like the arc of a dive a series of instants
but indivisible, leaving only ripples,
perfume.

(from Ghost of a Pear by Ayala Kingsley)

Archel (Archel), Friday, 21 May 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I love how much that one extra word gives, so that it doesn't end on it's metaphorical other "the dive", but manages to bring us back closer to the object "the pear". It's put together well, I think.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 21 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 21 May 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"After I'm Dead"

Tell them
I was a persimmon eater
who liked haiku

--Masaoka Shiki, the fourth "great master" of haiku (the other three are Basho, Buson, and Issa)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a pretty good one, there.


Amatory Epigram
(to Aristotle or Ignatius Loyola)

I'd have to be drunk to fuck around with you
And sober to live
Therefore I am dying

[Bernadette Mayer]

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Feast"

I drank at every vine.
The last was like the first.
I came upon no wine
As wonderful as thirst.

I gnawed at every root.
I ate of every plant.
I came upon no fruit
So wonderful as want.

Feed the grape and bean
To the vintner and monger;
I will lie down lean
With my thirst and my hunger.

--Edna St. Vincent Millay

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

[...]
You were supposed to tell them

what they'd missed; they'd read your
logics, your letters. So little space

between your letters, the words couldn't
easily air themselves. Remember going back

and forth between the rooms? Blue,
green; the wings had been adjusted.

You were meant to take black
netting off a face or two. Take

something. Passion brought you
here; passion will save you.

"Air For Mercury" - Brenda Hillman

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry but it's only 14 lines: "Ants on the Melon"

Once when our blacktop city
was still a topsoil town
we carried to Formicopolis
a cantaloupe rind to share
and stooped to plop it down
in their populous Times Square
at the subway of the ants

and saw that hemisphere
blacken and rise and dance
with antmen out of hand
wild for their melon toddies
just like our world next year
no place to step or stand
except on bodies.

Virginia Hamilton Adair

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Lean out of the window,
Goldenhair,
I hear you singing
A merry air.

My book was closed,
I read no more,
Watching the fire dance
On the floor.

I have left my book,
I have left my room,
For I heard you singing
Through the gloom.

Singing and singing
A merry air,
Lean out of the window,
Goldenhair.

-James Joyce, Chamber Music

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 22 May 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Dance"

In Breughel's great picture, The Kermess,
the dancers go round, they go round and
around, the squeal and the blare and the
tweedle of bagpipes, a bugle and fiddles
tipping their bellies, (round as the thick-
sided glasses whose wash they impound)
their hips and their bellies off balance
to turn them. Kicking and rolling about
the Fair Grounds, swinging their butts, those
shanks must be sound to bear up under such
rollicking measures, prance as they dance
in Breughel's great picture, The Kermess.

--William Carlos Mofo Williams

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 23 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, B2D, this was marvelous to read this morning :)

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Sunday, 23 May 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Luing

When the day comes, as the day surely must,
when it is asked of you, and you refuse
to take that lover's wound again, that cup
of emptiness that is our one completion,

I'd say go here, maybe, to our unsung
innermost isle: Kilda's antithesis,
yet still with it own tiny stubborn anthem,
its yellow milkwort and its stunted kye.

Leaving the motherland by a two-car raft,
the littlest of the fleet, you cross the minch
to find yourself, if anything, now deeper
in her arms than ever - sharing her breath,

watching the red vans sliding silently
between her hills. In such intimate exile,
who'd believe the burn behind the house
the straitened ocean written on the map?

Here, beside the fordable Atlantic,
reborn into a secret candidacy,
the fontanelles reopen one by one
in the palms, then the breastbone and the brow,

aching at the shearwater's wail, the rowan
that falls beyond all seasons. One morning
you hover on the threshold, knowing for certain
the first touch of the light will finish you.

- Don Paterson.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 24 May 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that poem would be even better without the first and last stanzas.

Today's poem, by Aram Saroyan:


priit

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 May 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Tell With Severity, I Think What I Feel"

I tell with severity, I think what I feel.
Words are ideas.
The purling river passes, and not its sound,
Which is ours, not the river's.
So I wanted my verse: mine and not-mine,
To be read by me.

--Ricardo Reis

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that we've come to the end
I've been trying to piece it together,
Not that distance makes anything clearer.
It began in the half-light
While we walked through the dawn chorus
After a party that lasted all night,
With the blackbird, the wood-pigeon,
The song-thrush taking a bludgeon
To a snail, our taking each other's hand
As if the whole world lay before us.

[Paul Muldoon, 'The Avenue']

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure we need all the vowels either.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link


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