New York City is for sellouts

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why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world?

Well for one thing, NYC is located at a convenient midpoint between London and Los Angeles (my second- and third-favorite cities).

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

SPONGE BOB SQUAREPANTS!!!!!!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

There's no point in naming names as you wouldn't know any of the people, but there is quite a crowd of folks moving from Richmond up to New York City this summer. I asked the one who is closest to me, Tim, why he's going there and he's just like, "Meh." Then he started talking about how he wants to do something with his life because he's bored. It's like, you move to NYC and suddenly your life means something (uh, not you, just you in a generic sense).

Anyway, this thread got rather touchy. Who knew?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure NYC is a lovely place to live in. I mean, heck, I've entertained thoughts of living there from time to time. (Not as much as I've entertained thoughts of living in London, though -- my Anglophilia rules over all.) But I think the general point of this thread is that people who move to a place because it's supposedly "hip" and "cooler than thou" and offers this gigantic mystique that could very easily be had many other places around the U.S. (or even around the world) are not exactly thinking clearly. Sure, if you feel this intense draw to move somewhere, move there, but after you weigh all sides and you are truly prepared to live where you are moving to. Or, conversely, if you live somewhere already where you feel comfortable living in, stay there. No need to move about or have to defend why you love your home.

In fact, I can totally understand it if one might be tired of defending one's home locale. Lord knows how many times I've had to explain to incredibly ignorant people that Texas is a wonderful state, that we are modern, that we have all the comforts of living in any other state in the U.S., that we aren't the way we're depicted on TV and in the movies, etc. One of the few moments when I was moved to cry in deepest anger was when I was watching the episode of "Coach" supposedly set in my city (San Antonio, for those not paying attention *wink*), that was filled with all of these horrid and humiliating stereotypes of what the city was supposed to be like instead of anything even remotely resembling what the city really is like. I do realize that yes, this is a sitcom, and yes, they are bound to do this, but imagine being younger and not living in this city. Imagine being influenced by what you watch on TV in regards to what your opinions and thoughts of a particular place is, and having nothing but horrible old and decayed stereotypes that essentially add up to "oh, avoid this backwards place" thoughts. It really hurts. It really hurts me every time I see something on TV or in a movie that shows Texas in a negative light, because we have had so few opportunities in the past to have it shown in a positive light OR EVEN IN JUST A REGULAR, TRUTHFUL LIGHT. To me, it's just as if there was a movie that was released and the central female figure was this huge, cartoonish, firey Latina maid who sang mariachi songs and said "Madre de Dios" every half minute, and who had that ridiculous frilly off-the-shoulders blouse and wore horrendously bright red lipstick, and this creature was presented as a Real, True Latina.

*ahem* Many sorries. I digress. Just had some issues to work out.

Anyway, if you're a huge fan of NYC, good for you. If you're a huge fan of another location, good for you. Just try to keep your mind open to the fact that there are other locations out there with their own fans and their own good points, and that there are people EVERYWHERE who wouldn't give up their OWN locations for all the money in the world. This goes for both sides here.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

But not one person on this thread has given any single reason as to why A) moving to a place cos you think the place seems cool is bad B) who is actually up and doing this anyway. Sarah kind of just gave B right now. No one is trashing any other city here nor is anyone saying you shouldn't live in your chosen locale.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Ok, I must've missed something here.

Don't mind me. Am just going through a really touchy period. Thanks.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

i donut want to go all alone :(

!!

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's a sign that you need to come to Tokyo too.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

You can't build space stations in NYC. To build space stations you have to move to Alabama.

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Not enough people think under the sea is cool.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Um, well Sarah and NA, I guess the point is.. you guys already know better. So spread some science to your friends, yo. :) And tell them NYC don't got no X10, Pop Faction, Avail, nor Rah Bras nor all the awesome folks at Elwood Thompson's.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

I think part of the weird thing is not that people would move somewhere that they think is cool, but that when they announce they are moving to NYC it's like this announcement that they're so much cooler than you. Perhaps it's in the delivery. And I realize one could say I'm just jealous, but it's just bizarre. And it's such a big to-do.
Sometimes, it sounds like:
* I have decided... to move to NEW YORK CITY. Yes, it is true. I am really cool and god said that I could move there. I am a chosen one.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

OK let's move to Alabama immediately.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha, donut bitch.

How come you know so much about my city? Did you used to live here? I'm such a dumbass. I didn't realize.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

it's just you and Jimi, Sam

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

What's a Rah Bra? I"m picturing a bra with pom poms on the front. sweet.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

TUSCALOOSA, HERE WE COME!

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

Dude ILX could totally take over Alabama. We should all move immediately (disclaimer - the radio stations are fucking terrible)

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

BEAR BRYANT!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

How come you know so much about my city? Did you used to live here? I'm such a dumbass. I didn't realize.

DUDE, I've been trying to hint to you and NA that I know a lot of Richmond folks via my very best friend here in Seattle who used to live in Richmond. I've met and now know the notorious Mich**l Otl*y who seems to be the Richmond kingpin. :) I met a lot of these folks when I visited Richmond last year, and took a walk through Carytown. (Also met Marty and Adam via having done sound for Young Pioneers a few times on KUCI and various other shows). Plan 9 is also, like, the best record store on the east coast.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

theory: NY is such a festering hell-hole of high prices, raw sewage smell, dishonest real-estate agents, and an all-around disloyalty ingrained in the culture, that moving to New York is the "default" kick-my-ass-cause-i-need-it option for kids too chickenshit for the army

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

(x-post to Sarah...but don't ask Michael if he knows donut bitch.. haha.. ask him if he knows all the Brians in Seattle :) )

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

No we should not motherfucking "all" move to Alabama.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

also, kings dominion is the happiest place on earth. except that fucking anaconda ride almost broke my neck on

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

Better or worse than Cyclone?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Good thing you made that disclaimer, donut bitch, or else I would've asked him if he knew a Mr. Bitch and he'd be like, "NO! What kind of person do you think I am?" And then I would have called you a liar and it would have gotten really ugly.

But yeah, that's cool.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

An ILX commune would be a frightening prospect, whether it was located in Alabama or NYC.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Uh yeah, I'd like the ability to be choosy when I go blast into outer space for cowboy bounty hunter adventures, right? This is not a goddamned open invite and if it is I am so not coming.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

No we should not motherfucking "all" move to Alabama.

you know what I mean

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

The words "all" and "ILX move" were used in the same line=I am frightened and staying in my goddamn apartment until this passes.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

The Neverending FAP starts now!

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

NYC: one of the better places to meet new people, and/or try that new food you have heard so much about. However, it's grown too damn expensive to survive in. It says summat if many (previous) Manhattanites have returned home to Mum and Dad cause they can't afford the rent.

Was born and raised in the madness, so I'll always love it. But what will happen to Jersey or Staten Island when NYC can't hold the 20 million determined to move there?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

The Neverending FAP starts now!

Been there, tasted that.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

But what will happen to Jersey or Staten Island when NYC can't hold the 20 million determined to move there?

Ever seen The Fifth Element?

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

The Neverending FAP starts now!

TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN around...

http://www.kajagoogoo.com/Images/albums/limahl/limahl_7_neverending_german_a.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:59 (twenty years ago) link

I was wondering where the rest of my hair gel went.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

These days I wonder where HIS went. Though he still needs a bit:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/01/18/LIMAHL.JPG

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

I just wanna get out of the way of the asteroid that's DEFINITELY going to hit Manhattan (I read that somewhere), so that's my real reason for not wanting to live there.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, my mom read that too. I'm still waiting for it.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

I just wanna get out of the way of the asteroid that's DEFINITELY going to hit Manhattan

DB, tis called an urban legend. Too many diasters should have happened to NYC by now. Much like the "big one" that's supposed to sink California.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say Nichole. Every time I tell my mom I'd like to visit San Fran some day, she freaks out about how it might sink when I'm there.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:23 (twenty years ago) link

Arts universe explanation: Well, I look at it this way -- the vast majority of book and magazine publishing is based here, the news media is based here, there's a ridiculous number of art galleries (both boutique and major ones) here, Broadway is considered the pinnacle of theater (which is both good and bad, obv.), NYC has a thriving music scene and hell! In the parkling lot around the corner from my apartment street people and actors perform King Lear everynight! (tho last week they were doing interpretive dance to Panjabi MC's "Beware the Boys" -- I stayed and watched it every single night. TRULY TRANSCENDENT!!!") The reason I moved to NYC was cuz I wanted to be a writer, and I knew that this was the place to make that happen.

this is all bollocks?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck earthquakes. the reason I'm not ever going to California is the black widow spiders.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

Austin:Texas::NYC:USA (maybe Olympia:Washington, Athens:Georgia, other states are kind of a blank)?

It's where you dream of moving when you're outside the cultural norm of your area (especially as a teenager). Nightlife, record stores, shopping, interesting people, adventure, etc. Basically a "get the fuck up and out" ideal.

And the reality of both is far less exciting than the fantasy.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

Phil, in the separate times I've been there, never saw even one. Need another reason, then.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

as of today, i am officially looking for work in philadelphia. fuck new york city and its legal community. i don't even give a shit about having to take another bar exam at this point.

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha. In a normal analogy, I think that would be DC:USA, but I know what you're saying.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

Whaaaa---, Tad? Let me know if you end up there. It would be a plus on the philly side of the list!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

well okay, if you like death by venom, by all means, move to california!

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link

Austin:Texas::NYC:USA (maybe Olympia:Washington, Athens:Georgia, other states are kind of a blank)?

Ur, well Olympia is more like the "Albany" of Washington state, for obvious reasons.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:59 (twenty years ago) link


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