agree w shakey in that the film tries to cuddle up to cusack, ultimately emphasizes his charm over his murderous sociopathy. does so in a way that allows it to function as a romantic comedy, but i wanted something a bit more dark & nihilist at the end, something more in keeping with cusack's character.
GPB is sort of like heathers, if at the end of heathers, snatchy and pump up the volume had gone off happily ever after.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
xpost you wear a crown of challops
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ snatchy and pump up the volume
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
The ending of GPB is a disappointment. The only way it could have ended satisfactorily was if he'd murdered Driver's dad and she'd said "YAY!" and fucked him on Dan Ackroyd's corpse.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
"wait, you go down a tunnel and become john malkovich for 15 minutes? just conceptually this makes no sense to me."
― where ilxor ends and markers begins (history mayne), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
John Malkovich was a very unconvincing John Malkovich
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
all this discussion of GPB is centered on cusack's sad sack assassin character. i think one of the reasons that it's so easy to accept both martin's sociopathic amorality AND the happily ever after ending he's granted is that cusack is basically just playing "john cusack in a weird role." we're accustomed to seeing him play the loserish but basically decent suitor, and that's pretty much what he gives us here, washed down with a bunch of "insane psycho killer" joeks.
another way to look at the movie, though, is to think of it as a romance, as something that occurs between two characters, male and female. i liked and related to minnie driver's debi a good deal more than cusack's martin (a joke of a character that quickly becomes repellent if taken seriously). she deserved better than this emotionally impoverished crazyman who's almost certainly going to get her hurt or killed in short order.
the fact that the movie shrugs all this off at the end bugged me. didn't make me hate it, i still count it one of my favorite cusack movies, maybe one of my favorite 90s pop comedies. i remember having reservations, that's all. should probably see it again...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
The key phrase right there is "pop comedy". it really isnt worth being taken to task for not being "convincing" or "silly ENOUGH" or whatever.
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
well, all art works for us or it doesn't, this way or that. pop comedies shouldn't be exempt from critical analysis just cuz they're, you know, just pop comedies.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
2 votes for 2012... really?
thought it was a Rush poll sry
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 1 July 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
wow I actually thought SA was a shoo-in for first. wow @ grifters love.
― buffandmaxsgaydad (Pillbox), Friday, 1 July 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
So did I, but the rules were to vote for best use of Cusackness, perhaps that skewed it.
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Friday, 1 July 2011 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
Cusacker Blues
― you've got great robot conflict (Eazy), Friday, 1 July 2011 05:48 (twelve years ago) link
wow, i'd better watch 'grosse point blank' again. i remember it being pretty funny but i can't remember much about it other than wishing it had someone other than minnie driver -- most unwatchable actress ever.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 1 July 2011 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
he doesn't want to go to his reunion! he's only in town because he's supposed to whack somebody in town the same week!
Maybe obvious, but I always figured this happened on purpose - Joan C's character deliberately messed with his jobs to force him to Grosse Pointe and thus have to go to the reunion as well. This bears out when you see Grocer getting pissed cos the job's been pulled out from under him (when he spits out his pen and goes "alternate vendor? WHAT fucking alternate vendor?" I lol).
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Friday, 1 July 2011 09:49 (twelve years ago) link
Thus, Grocer is pissed at him stealing his job so he goes after him... the CIA guys are after him for stealing their "we don't assasinate people, we do our jobs" angle, and hilarity of crossed purposes ensue.
Speaking of which, Hank Azaria's role in this film is totes underrated. I love that guy.
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Friday, 1 July 2011 09:50 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of which, america's sweethearts is great
― Darranzhi MacKhakhala (darraghmac), Friday, 1 July 2011 10:03 (twelve years ago) link
minnie driver is an absolute delight, idk what happened to her career
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Friday, 1 July 2011 10:31 (twelve years ago) link
*cautiously waves sarcasm meter around*
― Bloompsday (Trayce), Friday, 1 July 2011 10:32 (twelve years ago) link
I feel sorry for Grace Is Gone.
― Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Friday, 1 July 2011 10:33 (twelve years ago) link
_dying_ at shakey in this thread
― ☂ (max), Friday, 1 July 2011 12:53 (twelve years ago) link
i know right! i've been speechless
― some dude, Friday, 1 July 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
"its like the premise of Cars. does not compute"
― ☂ (max), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
theyre cars... who are alive.
*shakes head* nahhhhh. no way!
but american psycho... that's some convincing depiction of a psychopath right there (and it's funny too)
― where ilxor ends and markers begins (history mayne), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
hahahahaha max
― some dude, Friday, 1 July 2011 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
a psychopath who is superficially charming...? couldn't be!
― jackie tretorn (elmo argonaut), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
so youre telling me these guys... dress up as women... to escape from the mob?
does. not. compute.
― ☂ (max), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
nuns on the run?
― Darranzhi MacKhakhala (darraghmac), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
agree with contenderizer tho about the end, which is the whole reason why the
~let my love open the door~*holds baby*this changes everything epiphany
scene just derails the movie for me
― jackie tretorn (elmo argonaut), Friday, 1 July 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
good morning!
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 July 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
well, I guess it could be a thing for ppl who want to have babies
― joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 July 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
who says "good morning" 17 minutes before noon? completely unconvincing, I don't buy it.
― some dude, Friday, 1 July 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
time travel
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 July 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
babies solve nothing.
― jackie tretorn (elmo argonaut), Friday, 1 July 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
unless you need a cheap source of baby meat
― joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 July 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
"cheap"
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 July 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
$60k/lb
and that's for a fresh, white baby!
man swift really didnt factor in inflation
Babies, fyi, solve pension crises iirc
― Darranzhi MacKhakhala (darraghmac), Friday, 1 July 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
still GPB.
"are you alright?"
"No, I'm NOT all right! I'm hurt, I'm pissed... I gotta find a new job!"
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
"You must have done some naughty shit there, Bart! There's a contract out on your life. I should know, I was hired to kill you. But I'm not going to do it. It's either because I'm in love with your daughter, or I have a newfound respect for life."
"That punk is either in love with that guy's daughter, or he has a newfound respect for life!"
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:50 (two years ago) link
I used to have such a thing for John Cusack. But in my opinion GPB is where he started coasting. I'd have said High Fidelity, but upon looking at his filmography, there's not a lot of there there.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:55 (two years ago) link
Love & Mercy is probably my favorite of his since Grosse Point Blank it’s not for everyone but i just love his portrayal of wilson, i like how he stops short of doing an impression but somehow still physically carrying and/or suggesting all of the turmoil
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:29 (two years ago) link
that was a good'un, yes, and I saw it during the throes of my BB obsession
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:36 (two years ago) link
Yeah he was good in that movie.
Anyone seen Grand Piano? I found it in a list of underrated thrillers and saw it had Cusack and Elijah Wood and was written by Damien Chazelle - surprised I'd never heard of it, with those names. It's a decent enough high-concept thriller but Cusack doesn't make much of an impression. Elijah commits much better to the ridiculous concept
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link