Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (novel, miniseries, and forthcoming film to be directed by Tomas Alfredson)

max otm, hm otm, omar on the money about the Karla interrogation. and without trying to spoiler, Smiley's reflection on that small difference is a serious piece of his character development

I hope they can manage moments of poetry such as 4:53-6:47 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk16G4walQ4

Second only to the very opening scene for me.

omar on the money about the Karla interrogation

I suspected as much (thus my comment way earlier -- the reason why I like the line, as omar notes, is in the context of how things DON'T work).

Are we going to have to be spoiler-free here for a while or...

they should just have Patrick Stewart play Karla again

I would be more than fine with that.

re-read Tinker Tailor and Honourable Schoolboy this year in anticipation of the movie and will catch up with Smiley's People later. i don't doubt that Le Carre sides with the Foreign Office, inasmuch as he sides with anybody, and his writing on the former colonies (not all former at the time of writing I guess) irks a little. i think his anxiety isn't about Communism so much as it is about a lack of moral underpinning for either ideology, the smallness of the difference. but i suspect his attitude towards the title character in Honourable Schoolboy is a lot more sympathetic than mine

xxp yeah i think we shd try to keep the thread spoiler free until after the movie's been out for a few weeks

idk how long they're going to make this, but it seems like it would make for a nice 160 min film and they could keep most of the story intact imo.

ciarin hinds! this is gonna OWN you guys!!

I'm already pissed at the two month delay between UK/US release...

i was excited about all this before! but still!!!!

good long Sight And Sound piece about the BBC version from the issue after Guinness' death in 2000
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/feature/86

Very nice. Nearly got emotional towards the end.

I'm watching the 1980 miniseries now thanks to this thread and -- well, it's okay. Wry, clever, etc.

'okay'? you're dead to me.

What's changed?

wry and clever seem like good things, although Lord Soto, you seem to use them slightly dismissively, I think? but there's also an aesthetic of dullness which is fastidiously observed, which also is the main motivation of the mole - I think that's the mini-series's success. I liked this from that sight and sound piece where it said 'Much of Guinness’ skill in realising Smiley lies in this streak of pious reproach.' What's interesting is that the mole shares that reproach, in an impious way. It's actually a battle between two people, very different, who believe the same thing in many ways. In the tv series they manage to contain the difficulties of the novel within the relative simplicity of the performances and direction. That's probably why it's so well liked.

incidentally, one of the things that appeals about the original adaptation is to see any form of acting as an intent to decieve - the end of Ricky Tarr's interview is a good example. Any sort of traditional attempt to evoke sympathy, or conventional way of behaving is seen as unlikely and duplicitious. Only a weird English intensely class-conscious reticence, a hangover from the Empire appropriation of Stoicism is seen to be at all trustworthy in a code sense - I suspect that's the meaning of class in le Carré: code.

Gary, Collin, Tom Hardy...There's no way my pussy is leavin that cinema dry.

JoJo12522 2 days ago 5

no way my cumberpatch is leaving that cinema dry

radio drama fans may enjoy these lecarre adaptations with simon russell beale playing smiley -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/smiley-season/

"not available" for replay but you may have ideas about tracking them down elsewhere. beale is superb i think; he sticks pretty close to guinness but that's a good thing. in some ways i think radio is a better medium for adapting these books than television

(or cinema)

btw what do the lecarre hedz here make of his newest one? i thought it was tremendously entertaining, kind of a portmanteau of all the great things about lecarre

New trailer, y'all:

http://movies.uk.msn.com/features/action-and-adventure/tinker-tailor-soldier-spy-msn-exclusive-trailer

john hurt man.

this is really out in september? that is p soon

it'll be interesting to see if this is Peter Morgan-proof.

i forgot if you are pro/con peter morgan. also, is he as big of a Thing as the UK tends to think he is? i think he's a little of the julian fellowes school, tbqh

the film of Frost/Nixon was appalling.

he is def. a UK mythologist, and i think that in viewing frost/nixon film as a brit lampoon of american corruption there is ... something ... to be said for it. not that it's good, mind you.

unfortunately, he didn't understand Nixon.

"trust ... no one."

― tylerw, Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:44 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

lol otm, 24 seconds in.

not sure what p.morgan has to do with this though?

ah, I looked at the first post where they said he'd be writing the adap -- wiser heads prevailed!

Still, I think this story is made for a longer form.

re-reading this right now. great.

Did a reread of Tinker Tailor over the last couple of days here -- first time I'd done so in a couple of decades. Very glad too (sticking to the no spoilers rule proposed upthread) that I had just forgotten who the mole was; I remember the actor in question from the miniseries but I'd forgotten which role he'd played, so the ending was a surprise all over again. A lot of what was enjoyably strange about the book to me has become a little less so now (thanks to actually going to the UK for visits, for a start) -- and I also remember the use of terms like 'lamplighters' strangely romantic and which remain so, something that turns the mundane into a little something else -- while above all else the sheer knife-edge tautness in a dingy setting remains intact. Related to that, from up above:

Not sure le Carré gives a hoot about communism either way - I think he's more interested in the mechanics of defection...Will say that what marks out the early novels is the indifference to English society. This is what we're trying to protect?

Which is very interesting in a reread: Le Carre's London, at least in this novel, often feels empty. It's as if it was nothing but a lot of buildings in which a few people can be found, a number of them containing multiple people (the Circus, a club or bar or two) but mostly containing two or three or even just one. As such it's one of Le Carre's sharpest gifts because he recognizes the reduction of the individual perspective to just that scope; if all you're focusing on is something small or something removed, the exact day-to-day surroundings of millions of people and all that entails makes no impact. At the same time it also makes me think of Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast books which are explicitly about a theme of a defective/decayed England in structure and form; London as a vast rambling castle like Gormenghast where people work in odd nooks and are seemingly removed from most non-work human contact beyond an offhand 'oh yeah, that' feeling. Meantime the softest side of the whole story comes from the scenes in the school where Prideaux is laying low as a teacher; I think the character of Roach is interesting in retrospect not merely as a way to introduce Prideaux without actually going into any detail about him but also to self-consciously contrast the world of the Circus with an unknowing, naive and unsettled perspective, shaped by divorce and family turmoil (in turn set against Smiley's own ruminations on Ann). But to return to the question of the school: its own circle of petty grievances and victories becomes at once a symbol of what's supposed to be 'protected' and what might not be worth protecting as it stands, a country idyll of sorts -- yet in the end the story begins and ends there, and through Roach's eyes.

Bits in the trailer do make me wonder more now about how the story is going to be shaped; I gather Istanbul stands in for Hong Kong, fair enough, but referencing things like a resultant nuclear war and more puts in a different kind of urgency to it. Still that could just be a quick trailer specific bait-and-switch. Reread did confirm there is a bit in the Karla interrogation scene where Smiley mentions or thinks something along the 'we are not so very different' line so hey.

Anyway, time to watch the miniseries again properly.

nice post, ned. just finished re-reading last night. honestly the thing that stuck out to me was the almost satirical elements of lecarre's depiction of the circus -- it's not quite Catch 22, but it's getting there?

Great post, Ned. I will admit I have never gotten around to reading this book, I should probably do this before summer ends.

It's great.

I can't imagine a movie being a quarter as good as the Guiness miniseries.

Although cast is pretty impressive.

Thanks all. Just rewatched the first episode today as well (the original seven episode series rather than the US-adapted six episode); if the movie by default can't maintain the slow, easy unfolding of the story then the TV version does point the way on how to simplify the book's in medias res structure. (I suspect the couple of shots in the trailer showing the heads of the Circus around a table is meant to mimic the opening shot of the miniseries, though unsprisingly the movie version feels rather more glamorous, just.) Also I'd forgotten that the TV version apparently substitutes Lisbon for Hong Kong but I'll wait to see what the second episode is like.

Seeing Guinness again in the role in full via that first episode really is a masterpiece. The antithesis of verbose, making every word count, with maybe the sole exception of when he's alone, venting and angry, and even that is clipped.

An advantage of the book is that while Smiley as a character obviously exists in previous books as discussed above, you really can take him straight from the start via the book etc., you don't need the earlier stuff though it does provide some context and background by default.

honestly the thing that stuck out to me was the almost satirical elements of lecarre's depiction of the circus -- it's not quite Catch 22, but it's getting there?

There's definitely a very dry humor at many points but Le Carre isn't even aiming for black comedy as such, it's more like "Well, it would be this, wouldn't it." On that front it's almost more like Beckett.

Well, I remember who the mole is, maybe cuz I watched the series 5-6 years ago.

Who is playing Karla?

Ironic that Oldman is not enough of an old man, technically... Also, on the iMdB it says he watched Guinness as part of his preparation! I've never heard of an actor saying something like that about an inherited role.

What about Ewan McGregor also watching Guinness?

xp to ned yeah, i don't think that is really lecarre's aim, but the absurdity of espionage/double agents/triple crossing/etc made it feel like a different author might've taken it in full satire mode.

well, McGregor was doing a bloody impression, plus he wasn't doing the *same* material.

My problem w/ de Niro's CIA film was that stuff is best played as dark comedy.

like Our Man in Havana?

"Who is playing Karla?"

Karla isn't in TTSS.

Hopefully Picard will play him again!

Not in the film? Cos he's in the book/BBC miniseries. xpost

picard has been practicing his steely stare.

Yeah, I don't remember seeing Smiley's People! Wikipedia says Stewart was in both.

it should be michael fassbender. or the other one.

xpost

smiley's people is a bit of a letdown after TTSS