Double predestination versus guaranteed hell for unbaptized infants

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What is double about predestination?

Maria, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Calvinistic predestination is sometimes referred to as "double predestination."[2] This is the view that God chose who would go to heaven, and who to hell, and that his decision is infallibly to come to pass. This point of view simultaneously denies that God is the Author of Evil, but the issue is a very difficult point of the doctrine of predestination. The difference between elect and reprobate is not in themselves, all being equally unworthy, but in God's sovereign decision to show mercy to some, to save some and not others. It is called double predestination because it holds that God chose both whom to save and whom to damn, as opposed to single predestination which contends that though he chose whom to save, he did not choose whom to damn.

joule kilcher (goole), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought unbaptized infants no longer go to hell?

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link

interesting to think of these ideas as flowing "up" from political/ideological battles on the ground rather than being dreamed up whole and handed down.

catholicism: you need the worldly Church = your actions in life determine your salvation = if you don't DO anything (w/ our blessing and say so), you are damned = sorry kids

protestantism: you don't need any horrible Church, only faith = nobody should have any power over anything, except God = wow he must know everything and determine everything, including the future = sorry u reprobates, it's out of our hands (lucky for us elect, huh)

joule kilcher (goole), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

xp yeah i think the church lightened up on that. no more purgatory either! but the theology is murky to me tbh

joule kilcher (goole), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I just assume all those lil infants will go to heaven cause they are innocent and incapable of sin. Not that I beliEve that shit haha

GOD, Thursday, 1 January 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

o fuck what did I just do forgive me

GOD, Thursday, 1 January 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

oh fuck quit that

again forgive me

The Reverend, Thursday, 1 January 2009 11:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Apparently lots of Catholics think that there's not a guarantee of hell for unbaptized infants anymore, but when I tried to suss this out by working through the Catechism a few years back, it seemed like there was still the guarantee, but "nice" priests would try to tell people otherwise. I thought the Catechism was official but I think this is one of the topics that the church wishes would just kinda fade away and people would stop asking about.

Euler, Saturday, 10 January 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

looooooooooooooooooool rev

Goodnight, Mr. Johnson. (country matters), Saturday, 10 January 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

the very very reverend

Goodnight, Mr. Johnson. (country matters), Saturday, 10 January 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

goole what you're saying about the political stuff is interesting. It's hard to establish causation here, because at some level both doctrines are a matter of trying to understand what Paul meant in Romans, and those battles have been going on since like the 3rd century. So it's like Paul + politics of the time too, not just politics.

Euler, Saturday, 10 January 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link

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