No, thinking '02...
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
stats from eng-arg 02 fwiw
Argentina EnglandCorners (1st half) 2 : 2Corners (2nd half) 7 : 1Fouls committed 21 : 20Caught offside 5 : 2Shots on target 5 : 8Shots off target 7 : 7Hit woodwork (back into play) 0 : 1Yellow cards 1 : 2Red cards 0 : 0
no possession annoyingly, i'm sure arg had a fair bit more of it tho (esp. in england's half)
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
owen started against argentina didn't he? he was only subbed on at the beginning of that campaign...
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i thought Owen started in that match, his career-defining goal was in the first half i'm sure
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Hoddle was weird about Owen, but then Keegan was even weirder :(
sweden p sweet btw in 98
do you mean 02? they didn't make it to 98 thanks to...oh i forget.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Just watched highlights of Eng-Arg 98. Most shocking moment: seeing Paul Merson running up to take penalty. Like, what was that buffoon doing allowed near a world cup? I forget he was actually really good, now I just bracket him with Steve Claridge.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's cold
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
ah sure who knows rly
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, all the goals were in the first half.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
ha ha really no memory of merson at wc98. mind boggles. i will always remember him being england's best player on the night they went to shit in rotterdam (nov 93) not that it meant owt.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Time of Possession 65% 35% (Arg Eng) in 2002
According to http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas2000-10/2001-02/M0792Arg2002.html
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
that feels about right but you need to experience the acid gnawing thru yr stomach to fully feel that match
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
That doesn't tell the whole story though - it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable, Argentina were never going to score that day.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
simeone's goal was classy too.
my memory of the game was that it was fairly even. don't remember argentina bossing it even after becks was sent off. don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday, and to win a world cup.
x-post otm...
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable
I remember feeling happy for Becks but otherwsie thought the game somewhat dull.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday, and to win a world cup.
REPREHENSIBLE.
― Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
DID WOLFE TONE DIE FOR THIS??
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable, Argentina were never going to score that day.
i agree i guess...nowhere near as stressful as the 98 game where they felt much more a constant threat.
just really dreading the complaints about tiredness next summer now. was forlan fucking tired last summer? schneider? iniesta? even with a midwinter break (which i do support) they still played as many games as most of the england squad. got to stop making the excuses that affect everyone.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
The English players run about more y'see
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah chasing the facking ball
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes definitely. i defended it at the time on a 'needs must' basis. just winning any which way was so important.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday
I've kind of given up on England but man that game in '02 between Ireland and Germany was exciting.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
Replace the ENGLAND MANAGER with a 'selection panel' made up of Gareth Southgate, Lee Dixon and Trevor Brooking.
― Smells like a geography book (Chris), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
but then who would hype the lads up pre-match with a stirring monologue on Agincourt, El Alamein and Enoch Powell?
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
The other thing I remember about '02 was that England went out against the winners and they even scored first, well, that and the Seaman jokes.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
ireland were woeful against germany tho
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
highly deserved equaliser
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
nicky barmby and all that, was that 98?
Better players throughout squad then, i think.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
kills me that england will bypass huddlestone without ever even wondering why.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Owen scored and then I had to go to work. I was so sure England were going to win, they were so effective and lucky in them days, and then win the tournament too. I was genuinely dumbfounded later when I saw what happened while I was stuck on the tube.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
That's v Brazil in 02, breakfast kickoffs & all that.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol work jesus what were you 12
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
there was a long period of time when England would have a bunch of Barmby-esque players: good technical ability, versatile, keen, not quite the superstars of the PL but confident at international level. now it's predominantly prima donnas and future reality TV stars
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hey we're not all still in our twenties.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Mighty behemoth vs wee island folk and then at the death stalwart Keane beats the world's best keeper. I was with a bunch of Irish folks and everyone went wild. Tbh, I had pretty much given up for the last 20 to concentrate on getting a drink.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
I had to work during Ireland - Spain in 02. Probably for the best.
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think maybe that's a thing?
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
we all remember big mick's big shorts
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp to nv
I was in the corridor when we scored
I am in my late twenties fyi yes
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
1st half v Wales was the best I've seen them play. The "Look, 4-3-3, it's how Barcelona play!" thing really seemed to work. Then they got bored and got hammered by Switzerland.
― Smells like a geography book (Chris), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
jesus Big Mick in them shorts with his legs splayed i had to keep covering my eyes
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
i remember him saying "fucking breeny" all goggle eyed when breen scored v saudi arabia
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i remember the three-stage jaw drop when keane scored against germany, pythonesque but not the way you think
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
i was just as happy about that goal as i was becks pen, no lie
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
"C'est La Vie" as those lovely Irish popsters B*witched use to say!
is he riiiight?
― Dear Projectionist (blueski), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
^ meant to go on "My client became a YouTube sensation at the age of 12" - rolling off-season/transfer speculation thread 2011
― Dear Projectionist (blueski), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
wonderin tbh
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
On the other hand, England go above Brazil in world rankings.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 10:04 (twelve years ago) link
Ireland almost cracking the top 30. Yes!
― Number None, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 10:05 (twelve years ago) link