if the actual attacks ever happened, you mean
― ☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
hurting - the latter
― Z S, Sunday, June 26, 2011 11:06 PM Bookmark
Asking because I thought the biggest environmental issues were particularly with hydrofracking and not all shale drilling but I guess maybe I'm wrong
― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Monday, 27 June 2011 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
max, you can suck a dick
― Muttley vs. Mumbly (CaptainLorax), Monday, 27 June 2011 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
he could...
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Monday, 27 June 2011 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
yep, but the vast majority of shale drilling, at least in the U.S., is now performed using hydrofracking
― Z S, Monday, 27 June 2011 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
― jag goo (k3vin k.)
are you trying to call dibs?
― Muttley vs. Mumbly (CaptainLorax), Monday, 27 June 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
still waiting on your big 9/11 presentation, captain.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 27 June 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
14th amendment, section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 July 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
jack balkin on its in the debt ceiling farce:
Like most inquiries into original understanding, this one does not resolve many of the most interesting questions. What it does suggest is an important structural principle. The threat of defaulting on government obligations is a powerful weapon, especially in a complex, interconnected world economy. Devoted partisans can use it to disrupt government, to roil ordinary politics, to undermine policies they do not like, even to seek political revenge. Section Four was placed in the Constitution to remove this weapon from ordinary politics.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/06/legislative-history-of-section-four-of.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 July 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, "its relevance in the debt ceiling farce"
Krugman sez
Failure to raise the debt limit would also force the U.S. government to make drastic, immediate spending cuts, on a scale that would dwarf the austerity currently being imposed on Greece.
I had not known that..?
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 July 2011 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
oversimplification alert but this whole debt ceiling thing feels like a huge knock-down drag-out vase-throwing argument between mommy and daddy over whether to cut up the credit cards when the bank has already issued it's final foreclosure notice on the house..
― Kerm, Monday, 4 July 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
huh?
― ☂ (max), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
kerm, that's wrong. interest rates are historically low. bond investors are totally willing to lend to US for cheap. however, they wont be after a default. it's like drunk daddy warning that your house could burn down at any moment while running through the house with a torch.
the debt is a real medium to long term problem. it has nothing to do with the antics taking place right now. it is very scary behavior by gop.
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 July 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hunter otm. kerm way off the mark.
In kerm's analogy the bank, far from issuing foreclosure edicts, is thrilled to keep lending mom and dad money at very low rates, because m&d have never missed a payment, have plenty of income and own massive assets. The bank sees nothing but profit in this arrangement.
As soon as the mom and dad's argument results in any disruption in the flow of payments the bank will quickly reconsider this position, not because m&d's income or assets are any less, but because their mental instability has become a threat to its cash flow.
― Aimless, Monday, 4 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
uh yeah creditors keep loaning you more and more money as long as you make the payments and service your debt... which has nothing to do with whether you should keep borrowing ever increasing sums of money.
ok my example was off because we're still making all our minumum payments - my point is the debt ceiling debate and "controlling costs" that amount to tiny fractions of what this government spends and owes seems like an absurd distraction from a crisis looming just around the corner... unfunded entitlement programs and massive ever increasing deficit spending.
― Kerm, Monday, 4 July 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
worrying about the crisis around the corner makes little sense when there's a more important crisis happening right now - 9.1% unemployment, no real growth prospects
― iatee, Monday, 4 July 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
THe key to solving "unfunded entitlement programs" is not to kill the programs, it's to fund them properly.
― Michael Bay, CEO of Transformers (Phil D.), Monday, 4 July 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
well technically it's one or the other.. this government does neither. you have to raise taxes or cut programs and these criminals do the exact opposite. they cut taxes and spend even more..
― Kerm, Monday, 4 July 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ otm ^^^
will steal for my regular Facebook "thumb in conservative bro-in-law's eye" post.
xp
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 4 July 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
feel like we should keep an eye out for killer asteroids too
― ☂ (max), Monday, 4 July 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of looming crises
(could do a little of both but who wants that???)
― Kerm, Monday, 4 July 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
also, i dunno if anyone else has noticed, but ive been seeing a lot of advertisements in spanish?
― ☂ (max), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
believing that the debt is the crisis to be addressed now (and by spending cuts, no less) is on par with imminent dangers of saddam's chemical/nuclear arsenal on 02/03.
there are significant structural problems with with our revenue/spending. but you need a realistic plan to get through this, and fake ass austerity is neither necessary nor productive to short term recovery. also, i light of the likely further, unnecessary economic contraction that will result, it is far from optimal in addressing the middle to longer term deficits that are predicted.
this is a straight political play by the "brainpower" of the gop, and it's a panic/hissy fit by teatards. i'm pretty pissed they wanna sink the ship to "save" it.
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
so mommy and daddy argued about cutting up their cards, because they weren't making progress paying down their balances. but daddy was pissed. he sold mom's car, and now she can't get to work, and is gonna lose her job.
daddy's also pissed that his kids seem ungrateful. when they go hungry because mom lost her job, he's just gonna have to tell those brats- "it serves you ungrateful lazy bastards right- you think money grows on fucking trees? we gotta live within our means here!" then daddy gets in the beemer he refused to trade in for something less fancy.
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
also daddy keeps trying to ban sharia law inside the house
― ☂ (max), Monday, 4 July 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ basically a bruce springsteen song
― iatee, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
mommy and daddy tried to live real cheapdaddy got drunk and he sold her jeep she lost her job cause she couldn't get to work boss said "ma'am, I don't mean to be a jerk..."
daddy said "son, you think money grows on trees?if there's one thing I know you gotta leave within your meansthis beemer's mine but they wanna take it awayit's the muslims fault...and fannie mae..."
― iatee, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
oops 'live within your means'
― iatee, Monday, 4 July 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
this beemer's mine but they wanna take it awayit's the muslims fault...and fannie mae..
roffles
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 July 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
that's the true genius of these bastards throughout American history ... blame the darkies for the messes the bastards created themselves.
it's a shame that we haven't either a President or an opposition party that can properly stand up (or head off) these shits. FDR seems more and more like an aberration than anything else.
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Monday, 4 July 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
hey, governments defaulting on their own people is cool.. it's defaulting on the banks that's the real worry
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 July 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
re fdr- yeah i recently read supreme power (i think as a result of a recommendation from alfred? somewhere at ilx i'm sure).
anyway, talk about wishing for someone with a humane vision and an ambitious sense of possibility. :( the contrast with now was killing me.
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
*shits in bin*
― marisa+ (buzza), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
so what are the best european conutries to move to, that arent facing crises
― goole+ (dayo), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
switzerland
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 02:44 (twelve years ago) link
oh nm forgot you weren't white, nowhere
lol :/
― goole+ (dayo), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
― what does anything meme? basically (Hunt3r), Monday, July 4, 2011 10:05 PM (1 hour ago)
still need to get around to this book ugh
― bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
switzerland, austria and germany are definite possibilities (given my line of work and that i speak German). and i'm white (and my grandma's hometown was born was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire when she was born [even though she wasn't ethnically German]).
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwKYjZ_8EcE
omfg
― goole, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
day traders are fucking idiots
― little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
dude that video is so fucking awesome! almost made me cry. you could see the same passion i have in the people in the video
thanks a million for sharing
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― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
absolutely exquisite casting
― dayo, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
which one is captain lorax
― iatee, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
I almost posted this to the 'friends fb status' thread the other day:
M@risa Kryst1@n12 hour day done. And I'm officially a Forex trader! Time for champagne :)18 hours ago · Like ·
― iatee, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
weird doesn't ilx prevent you from accidentally posting the same msg?
― iatee, Thursday, 14 July 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link