TOMBOT and john justin should not be mods

; )

You know, if there were only watchers watching the watchmen watching the lamemen, I would have been temp-banned a long time ago.

And people would still mistake you for Jess.

i tried to change it, like a lot.

i think the MODS were blocking that shit.

honestly

r u drunk?

jess RIP

gr8080: yeah but j/k and good vibes. wanna change ma name!

yeah dude you post a little weird when youre drunk

also please never ever again talk about being horny on ILX

rules to live by

but in a "who watches the watchmen" sense it's an important thing to have.

This is true, if (a) it actually needs it and (b) if you distrusted the watchmen, who are the guys in charge of admin log, why would you trust that they (i.e. me) made sure that everything was properly recorded to the admin log?

I'm on another forum (local and a lot smaller than ilx) where there's no admin log. but no one's ever been banned there and the mods are around mostly to make sure the thing stays up and running. however, ilx is a forum where "controversial mod edit" is a meme, so it's hard to claim it doesn't need it. (also, "need" is a funny word, can it keep running without it, sure, but obv a number of people here desire one)

re: trusting that everything is properly recorded to the log... the idea is that there are two levels here; a programmer develops an admin log where the system automatically records all changes (or changes of a certain type), and mods would not have the ability to change entries in the admin log. if a mod tampers with entries in the admin log you've got to question their motivation for doing so.

most auditing measures rely on the fact that there isn't collusion to defraud the auditing mechanism. if people collaborate to defraud, then yeah, there's nothing you can do. the assumption here is that the audit mechanism makes transparent the actions of individuals in a certain role (i.e. mods). one would assume that if you made abbott a mod then you/pash/tom/ned would like to know if, in a fit of yucca spine poisoning induced delirium, she went and banned a random bunch of people and deleted half the threads in de subjectivism.

Yeah, a log isn't as big a deal to me as it is to other people, but it seems like it would at the very least eliminate some of the kind of mystery and ambiguity of the moderation. One time when I was giving Tombot a hard time about modding, I brought up the fact that when Jess went on a rampage deleting threads all over the place a couple years ago, it seemed more funny and harmless, partly because it wasn't that malicious and partly because there was a log so it was at least easy to see what was going on and there wasn't a ton of "where did my thread go?" controversy and finger pointing that tends to go on now. Of course, I said that in a more confrontational way and Tom called me a cunt and locked the thread so he could have the last word, but those were crazy times, we can laugh about it now.

Yeah I think we discussed the Jess thing at the time and I put in something to not allow anyone to delete threads unless they were on the new answers page (and hence people, wll other mods at least, would see them and take action), so not sure about admin log being necessary there, even if it was how things were found out then.

FWIW as I say, my main problem with admin log is the implication that somehow there will be less noise because of its presence. I suspect the only less noise there will be is down to people not complaining about the lack of an admin log!

I don't think there'll be less noise per se, or if that should be the goal. But it'd be nice if people knew who and what they were making noise about, instead of saying "someone deleted my post" or "who banned so-and-so?" or just assuming it was someone like Tom or JJ when it could've been any number of mods.

Yes... I think my worry is that there might actually be more noise. Maybe I should track who is looking at admin log!

don't worry, 90% of ilx won't even know it's there

sorry, 99%

It does seem like admin log wld just lead to more bitching and recrying of past tallymarks, rehash every time.

admin log was about the lols before

John Justen is an excellent mod. he temp banned me and also gave me the opportunity to discuss the temp ban.
Tombot is ...also a good mod. But I think he might want to recuse himself because everything is personal right now. Tombot also personally emailed me during my tempban experience.

I could not have asked for anything more from JJ and Tombot. They were gentlemen, and they were kind and understanding and NICE.

Temp ban is now a badge - and that's stupid. Taunting the mods is not a great strategy. Getting banned is not something to be proud of.

The worst thing is - I emailed Pashmina, asking why was I barred - only to find out that he had a significant death in his family to deal with. I found this out by reading ilx.
If you want to feel like a worm, I just told you how to do it.

So - we can never really know what is going on with each other, relative strangers, and it's up to us to take the time to think about who we are talking to.

If you need to subvert an existing hierarchy, well - there's a few I can think of.

Thanks, Alison.

Thanks to you too, Grady.

Yes... I think my worry is that there might actually be more noise. Maybe I should track who is looking at admin log!

Excellent idea. I can improve it - looking at admin log results in perma-ban. End of. Would clear board of noise (and possibly all traffic!) within minutes.

How do you code in EYE-MELTING FOR THOSE WHO DARE GAZE UPON?

arkofthecovenant.exe

admin log was about the lols before

-- jergins, Friday, August 29, 2008 6:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

^^^^^

ilx is a forum where "controversial mod edit" is a meme

A meme created and nurtured by the people with small dicks who think that their malicious or abusive posts don't somehow deserve deleting on sight.

"who banned so-and-so?"

Who cares? You know and I know that "so-and-so" is almost certainly going to be one in a short list of whiny dicks who see it as a badge of hon ur to be banned. Fuck'em.

thanks for the critical thinking on this, Mark. we appreciate your point of view.

a hardman is good to find

(12:38:49 PM) Heave Ho: i just read tombot thread
(12:38:59 PM) Heave Ho: why would i burn myself?
(12:39:19 PM) Heave Ho: is that a Vietnamese monk reference?

burn deeznuts

Thanks grady, I think I'm pretty on the money. Pretty clear which side of the fence you've chosen and I hope it works out for ya.

The weed is always greener on the other side of the fence.

wait which side of what fence did gr8080 choose?

btw i never got any personal emails during my temp ban experiences

not a single fucking one

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That's hilarious deezie. I emailed them. So get over your hurt feelings.

Both Tom and John took the time to email me back.
So, whatever, I felt pretty good about having my say.

And that's more than anyone should expect from a situation where you are banned.

None of this is my point. My point is that you do not know what these seemingly innocous /vitally important posts mean to the person on the receiving end.
I don't care if I go down in flames as being overly sensitive - I'm actually pretty tough. But I have seen it - and I have done it - hurting someone just to make myself feel better.
And I don't know - and you don't know - what repercussions that might have.

it's not worth it to be cruel. That shit will bite you back.

I'm also totally with Emily Marie Maki on the emo guys thing.

I have been around here long enough to be able to give some advice.
Learn from my mistakes.

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not sure if that's complimentary, but I'll take it as AWESOME!

its not complimentary

posters like gr8080 & max are out to ruin the ilx experience

Oh boy! They are going to have to work a lot harder!

deeznuts that is a patently false statement

deeznuts you are compromising the big Hoos

They are going to ruin typing? I'm bad enough at it as it stands.

i am thoroughly provoked by this appalling internet discourse

-- Confounded, Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:49 AM

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