What makes Ray of Light a drag is the tension between the insistence on introspection and the buttoned-down beats; or, rather, she hadn't yet found a correlative for "thoughtful" dance music. The results are a little like Young Americans: auteurist pop with dance leanings.
Also: when her lyrics aim for "spirituality," she's embarrassing or worse. I'd forgive this if her post-Evita voice wasn't at its most pompous. The only time I hear some new kind of New Age-disco fusion is on "Sky Fits Heaven."
otm
candy perfume girl is one of my favourite madonna songs though
here my dear is/was an amazing album btw
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:01 (twelve years ago) link
I've never actually heard it, to be honest, but given it's one of those albums that most people seem to agree should come with a trigger warning for misogyny, I feel it's probably better if I give it a miss.
Guess I should find another by-word for "breakup album so bitter it's actually painful to listen to." Except Hard Candy doesn't seem to be a breakup album so much as a "look at me, I'm so hot, I got it going on I don't even need to think about you" which could be interesting if executed well but my memory is, it wasn't and it just came off as clunky and try-hard. (You are welcome to prove me wrong.)
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:08 (twelve years ago) link
well "look at me, I'm so hot, I got it going on I don't even need to think about you" seems to be the standard approach of most modern breakup songs/albums, rather than the bitter/angry/twisted/downbeat mood of albums like here my dear. i dont know if id say HMD is misogynistic, its just very acidic (but when did i stop loving you is one of the best/most bitter breakup/relationship post mortem songs ive ever heard).
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:16 (twelve years ago) link
but what i like about HMD is that hes not ashamed to put it all out there - it has some of the most painfully raw (but also beautiful) and honest songs he wrote. anyway, enough about marvin.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 23 June 2011 10:18 (twelve years ago) link
She's one of the few artists whose songs about their kids I don't skip
I agree! "Little Star" is lovely.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
Songs on ROL I like:
Swim (guitar!)Candy Perfume GirlSkinNothing Really MattersSky Fits HeavenTo Have and Not to HoldLittle Star
Am I the only one who didn't Madonna's Neil Young-style thrashing on "Candy Perfume Girl" when she played it on the 2001 tour?
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:17 (twelve years ago) link
*who didn't MIND
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Madonna-to-play-Super-Bowl-XLVI-halftime-show-100311
Madonna to play Super Bowl halftimeNewsCore
Updated Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM ET
Madonna will perform during the Super Bowl XLVI halftime show, fansite SB Nation reported Monday.
The site said unnamed NFL sources had confirmed the "Material Girl" singer will entertain football fans at the NFL championship game, to be held Feb. 5 at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.
The Black Eyed Peas played the halftime show at last year's title game, watched by over 111 million viewers.
The high-profile gig has gained notoriety after the infamous 2004 "wardrobe malfunction" that resulted in Justin Timberlake exposing Janet Jackson's breast to a live worldwide television audience.
As a result, the NFL has tried to steer clear from notably risque performers, inviting tamer acts such as Tom Petty, Paul McCartney and The Who.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
watch out, Middle America – Madonna's gonna flaunt her roped, knotted Biceps of Doom.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
unlike Bruce, slamming her gentles into a cameraman won't be an accident
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Did they run our of old rock acts?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if it will be "controversial."
(Seriously, though, doesn't Lady Gaga exist for this sort of thing?)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
They'll never run out of old rock acts, but Madonna was the last of the remaining huge 80s stars to not have done it.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
(MJ, JJ, Springsteen and Prince have all been there)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
next year they're going to bust out with Baltimora
― the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
he's dead!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
next year they're going to bust out with Zombie Baltimora
― the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
So was Paul McCartney, but he put on a show anyway.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Night tonightGimme the otherGimme the otherBRAAAAAAAAAAAINS
Last time, she debuted American Pie, didn't she?
― per metal injection (Eazy), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
That was 1998, and she backed out: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,617156,00.html
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Madonna covers Between the Bars. Surprising!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIytf5S5zMs#t=185
― will.i.an (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
That was just embarrassing. Jesus.
― scubasteve, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
I saw one of her Yeezus-style late-night public projections last night:http://i39.tinypic.com/2wp4ac0.png
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/25/madonna-secret-project_n_3980924.html
― LinkedIn Beef (Eazy), Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXfXrl4K2D4
― LinkedIn Beef (Eazy), Thursday, 26 September 2013 04:03 (ten years ago) link
oh HELLO
http://www.portalfamososbr.com/rebel-heart-e-wash-all-over-me-novas-musicas-de-madonna-vazam-na-rede/
― piscesx, Saturday, 29 November 2014 08:59 (nine years ago) link
hello lower register
― prolego, Saturday, 29 November 2014 09:54 (nine years ago) link
I think this is better than it could have been, given all: http://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/madonna-1#page4
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
rediscovered this and felt like sharing it for those who may not have heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbwVhNvkhw0
so beautiful
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
83-88: great singles, not-so-great LP's.89-00: the peak01-present: fuck off.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 23 June 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
I find that analysis weird considering that a significant amount of her best material appeared early in her career, including two of her best albums (s/t, True Blue), while her "peak" era contains a wildly uneven, overrated album (Like A Prayer), one of the worst movie tie-ins ever recorded (I'm Breathless), and some truly terrible singles ("Dear Jesse", "Oh Father", "Cherish", "American Pie"). Also, Confessions had some good stuff on it and American Life is grossly underrated by practically everyone.
2008-now is pretty much trash, though.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
You're both wrong.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
No, I thought about it for a couple of seconds and I'm right.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I don't like how rigid her vocals sound on most of her postmillennial material. Then again, aside from some scattered moments on Music and Confessions I don't like the material either.
― some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
I love "Cherish" and like "Oh Father." I temper my enthusiasm for the latter because even before the voice lessons she'd sung better ballads than it.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
I know most people disagree with me but I've hated "Cherish" since it first appeared on radio.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
it's part of your charm
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
DAN CAN'T MAKE ME CRY
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
Oh Father is terribly GOOD
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
'Cherish' and 'Oh Father' two of my favourite things she's ever done! I disagree about Like a Prayer being uneven... at a push, there's maybe two songs that aren't as good as the rest, but neither are horrible (I'm not saying which ones!)
'Dear Jessie' is a firm favourite of mine too... a song that would work equally well being covered by either Erasure or The Cure.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 23 June 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
"Dear Jesse" works in context but is kind of irritating as a standalone song, if that makes any sense.
― some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 23 June 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
It's one of only two songs that's managed to move me to tears, so I disagree.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 23 June 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
Her duds: https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2017/07/06/worst-madonna-songs/
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:13 (six years ago) link
alfred u abandoned me
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:17 (six years ago) link
'American Life' is garbage.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link
Glad you included the unbearably turgid "Love Don't Live Here Anymore," which I suspect normally gets a pass by part of her (first) classic era.
― some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
yr unbearably turgid
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link
A day late, but the four classic album reviews (s/t, Like a Prayer, Bedtime Stories, Ray of Light) that Pitchfork did for Madonna's birthday are worth a read. Alex Frank's analysis of her potentially problematic "earth mother" RoL phase is spot-on and provocative, and Owen Pallett OTM on BS being mostly a pleasant bore.
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 18 August 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
Thanks! I know lots of stans for that record but it's really a misfire to my ears. Somebody called the genre experiment as being one in "neo-soul", not "R&B slow jam", but whatever it was, Madge didn't make it work, especially compared to other chart music that year imo
― fgti, Friday, 18 August 2017 11:43 (six years ago) link