indefensible: john gruber

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Has he always been so mean-spirited? I don't remember him being so spiteful just a few years ago.

lukas, Friday, 17 June 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this

url a bit generous but otherwise, oh snap

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

Gruber seems to be right about things a lot of the time, though that's easy when the people he disagrees with are prone to willfully ignoring the fact that Apple is making hundreds of millions of dollars doing what it's doing and is preposterously unlikely to make any sudden changes in strategy. Also less of a raging, belligerent asshole than you might expect.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

Also wrt the "buy whole cell phone industry" post that is sort of following up on an earlier link about how Apple could easily have enough cash in a few years to take itself private. That is, in an industry where firms are frequently assessed by their market cap or their VC funding or what have you, Apple actually has HUMONGOUS FAT STACKS OF CASH.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

agreed that this guy is a bit of a dick, he has unsavory triumphalist tendencies, and thinks various middlebrow stuff is the height of human achievement - however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link

Chock full of SEO crap: My comment on Marco Arment's comment on John Gruber's comment on David Pogue's comment on Google's Chromebook.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 19 June 2011 08:29 (twelve years ago) link

Has anyone read the marco aren't Phish post?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:34 (twelve years ago) link

Damn autocorrect: Arment

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:35 (twelve years ago) link

however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

he doesn't really do this any more though?

caek, Sunday, 19 June 2011 10:18 (twelve years ago) link

Got sick of his blog a while ago - but I have to admit his comment on the Chromebook is kinda on point, why does it deserve a "good try!" sentiment?

Nhex, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

Gruber's predictions that don't come true are still reasonable and make sense when you evaluate the facts available at the time. He can't rely on his mysterious inside sources all the time, you see.

You don't have to believe me, just ask Gruber. He's always Gruber. I mean, right.

mh, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

he doesn't really do this any more though?

― caek, Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its not most of his posts, but when he does write a long piece i feel like he really gets where design is at re todays technologies

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

also hes a v good clear writer

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

chrisdejabet Chris De Jabet by daringfireball
Just got complimented on my @daringfireball shirt at the Apple Store. Because I'm handsome.
18 hours ago

*stabs twitter in the face*

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

i really like gruber

which mac writers do you guys really like? i could use some more feeds in my google reader

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

Jean-Louis Gassee

lukas, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

totally forgot abt him, thanking u

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

feel like this post embodies many of his less good qualities

http://grab.by/cBWF

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

how long till some shill links him this thread and ilx gets ~fireballed~

 summer is coming  (cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

one can dream

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.
http://americanmccarver.com/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:37 (twelve years ago) link

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

duly noted.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/28/google-plus-videos

joe, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

guh arial and helvetica are like exactly the same shit stfu already

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

A friend shared this blog post on Google Reader: http://stu.mp/2011/06/dear-yahoo-hire-me-as-your-next-ceo.html

I’d buy the NYT (for a mere $1.5bn!) and recruit John Gruber to be Editor in Chief of the “Yahoo! News” division.

I cried a little.

mh, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

Oh god, until I read that blog post in full I thought that was a joke, like forcing him to cover stories about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

Cringely's been half-nuts for years. Now I think he's full-nuts.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/29/joke

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:24 (twelve years ago) link

well, he's got a point

caek, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:26 (twelve years ago) link

I guess it's not as bad as how he keeps referring to Paul Thurrott as a 'dick' purely because he writes about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:36 (twelve years ago) link

cringelys nutsness is the best part of his shtick, guy is not afraid to think big

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think Cringely's being nuts there! Even if Jobs is showing pictures of full server rooms, it's not like he's shown pictures of the entire interior of the facility, and it's completely possible that it's not that densely populated.

mh, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but thats not some weird conspiracy designed to intimidate rivals, its just building out future capacity

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

p sure this dood killed caylee http://horace.dediu.usesthis.com

ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron

asshole

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/07/08/murdoch

"congratulations to the tories"

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

wish someone would put this asshole in a room w/paul thurrott and then they can mutually annihilate each other

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.

maybe i've just been developing for legacy browsers too long at this point, but this kills me. laziest shit ever - you run a SPORTS BLOG ffs

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

actually i think i hate sub-gruber wannabe sycophant ux doods even worse than gruber proper - so much hot air about making software "empathetic," so much whining about not getting paid to be a thought leader, so much referring to "marco" by the mononym...

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/e7obs.png

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

Read a blog post about grids. Saw a movie about Helvetica. Short. Terse. Sentences.

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

TS: john gruber vs lieutenant gruber from 'allo 'allo

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

RAGE!

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

oops already posted X:

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

it cannot be mocked too often. the star was a nice touch.

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

I listened to some of his most recent podcasts during the week and was astounded by his and Dan Benjamin's claim that it gets 800,000 downloads an episode.

Err, what? Maybe it was some kind of belated rip on The Daily's iPad app but I think they were being serious. There's no way it's true, though.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:36 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's more like 400,000, but i could be wrong

800,000 was either the WWDC or post-WWDC download count iirc, but again, i could be wrong

markers, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:39 (twelve years ago) link

It's like his amazing high trafficked and revolutionary new sports website, which is actually a fucking tumble blog about baseball where you click on the notes to find less than half a dozen people 'liked' each post and fuck-all anybody reblogged anything, because why the fuck would you.

I'd rather read David Beckham's views on fonts an touch interfaces.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:41 (twelve years ago) link

are you kidding i'd TOTALLY read david beckham's views on fonts and touch interfaces

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Saturday, 9 July 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

Dean Martin’s recipe for hamburgers. Sounds perfect.

nice commentary.

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

Sounds like... salted meat and a glass of bourbon

mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

the big selling points were that it had a nice font and was named after the drink/lady from the james bond movie


You’d think the experience would have shown him what product management actually is but obv not

stet, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

I checked to see if it’s still on the App Store, and it is — but the last update was Apple auto-bumping their certificate for them so it’d still be a signed app. Officially mothballed for five years

I forgot the name of their company to develop the app was “Q Branch”

jesus christ

mh, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link

A lot of folks were damaged when Steve Jobs called developers "artists." Some are worse off than others.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

“Chairman Pooh”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 03:39 (one year ago) link

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:50 AM (ten years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think about this joke and laugh every time I see this thread revived

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

loaded it up today for the first time in a while and the latest post was some asinine shit about how much Arial makes his eyes bleed. this guy is probably a terf

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 4 November 2022 23:49 (one year ago) link

hes really mad that apple has ads now but he can’t say that so he quotes everyone else saying and then trails off poignantly rip apple

stet, Saturday, 5 November 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link

that's pretty rich for someone whose CSS specifies Verdana first:

body {
font-family: Verdana, system-ui, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}

diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Saturday, 5 November 2022 01:17 (one year ago) link

going to hack his blog and change the default font to webdings

mh, Saturday, 5 November 2022 01:58 (one year ago) link

“congratulations to the tories”

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Does he ever claim chowder himself?

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/27/musk-twitter-open-letter

sofatruck, Friday, 16 December 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link

Apparently I’m a very slow learner on the “Elon Musk is an absolute shithead” front

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 06:29 (one year ago) link

congrats to the tories

mh, Friday, 16 December 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/02/02/twitter-killing-bots

Congrats to lagoon

stet, Friday, 3 February 2023 02:04 (one year ago) link

cant believe im still only 15 feels like ive been posting to this site that long

lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2023 02:08 (one year ago) link

I’m more optimistic about Twitter’s future than I have been in years.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 February 2023 02:41 (one year ago) link

cant believe i made it to daring fireball its a dream

lag∞n, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:03 (one year ago) link

"Fuck Elon, I never liked that guy" - in awe of this

ꙮ (map), Saturday, 4 February 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

"They say there are no atheists in a foxhole, but there are more of them than there are libertarians in a bank run."

okay it's very clunky but full credit here

three months pass...

https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110667962169426329

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 8 July 2023 03:57 (nine months ago) link

We gonna need Threads/Mastodon embeds now i guess?

Nhex, Saturday, 8 July 2023 04:03 (nine months ago) link

congratulation etc

classic john "gatekeeper is my favorite feature of mountain lion" gruber

butch wig (diamonddave85), Saturday, 8 July 2023 04:16 (nine months ago) link

I’m more optimistic about Twitter’s future than I have been in years. Don’t get me wrong, I think there’s a very real chance that under Musk’s leadership, Twitter might break apart and fade into irrelevance. But Musk himself notes the same thing! Keeping Twitter open to a wide range of content, but making it easy to control what content you see, as user, is a worthy ideal. Pulling it off, that’s the trick. But as a privately-held company Musk is free to make changes that move Twitter away from being optimized for engagement and towards being optimized for enjoyment.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 8 July 2023 04:21 (nine months ago) link

October 2022.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 8 July 2023 04:21 (nine months ago) link

He’s now on a tear about the evil EU daring to try and regulate the best product of the year, Threads

stet, Saturday, 8 July 2023 09:31 (nine months ago) link

It’s interesting that Threads has entirely leapfrogged the “cool place to chat with chums” phase of its social network existence and gone straight into the “bad office party” phase

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 8 July 2023 15:53 (nine months ago) link

everyones there brands influencers blue checks linkdin guys

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 July 2023 15:57 (nine months ago) link

kinda funny how blue check in facebook world still means verified

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 July 2023 15:58 (nine months ago) link

i’m no longer complaining about twitter’s “for you” tab after seeing threads so they’ve accomplished that

mh, Saturday, 8 July 2023 16:56 (nine months ago) link

“Twitter with the TikTok algorithm” is a good description of threads I saw somewhere.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 8 July 2023 17:03 (nine months ago) link

i said that in the twitter thread, but in a more artful way

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 July 2023 17:10 (nine months ago) link

He’s still got it

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 8 July 2023 17:33 (nine months ago) link

TikTok has far fewer brands and celebrities.

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 8 July 2023 17:33 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Low-hanging fruit, but this review of a $100 box cutter is a masterpiece of the form.
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/09/05/studio-neat-keen

bamboohouses, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 09:36 (seven months ago) link


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