CAN....S and D?

Tons of Can threads so might as well revive this one for this link -- Irwin Schmidt on food, music and democracy:

http://thequietus.com/articles/00813-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-food-and-cooking-plus-a-recipe-tip

I know it's not meant to be any good, but the completist in me needs to buy a copy of 'Out Of Reach' - are any of the CD versions better or worse than others in terms of sound quality? I've read that, since it's been disowned and not officially reissued, the CD versions often come from poorly done vinyl transfers.
Any tips for which of the grey-area CD versions to try and locate?

Thanks

If there's a Can forum or similar where such a question might also have been answered by knowledgeable geeks then please point me that way too.

I dont know about sound quality, but there are several different versions floating around - at least in Europe. The one released by Audelic contains Out Of Reach and the self titled album and is pretty cheap, there should be also a more recent version from Cleopatra (!) that according our supplier's database should be easily available.

Thanks Marco. I didn't think to check for standardly available copies, assuming that the grey-area aspect would write them off, but I think I see the copy you mention, thought the UK distributor for Cleopatra isn't entirely clear and we definitely don't deal with whoever Synergie are ourselves. I'll try to see if maybe Cargo, F-Minor or PHD have it on their books.

I think that all these versions are basically non-legit.
I saw the Cleopatra version is available through Bertus, a big Dutch supplier: I'm pretty sure all good UK distributors work with them.

Cheers, that will probably help to know. If I can get it through the shop that's a bonus as I have a lot of left over holiday pay to write off.

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

I found it on a mp3 blog a few nights ago, Haven't listend to it yet.... not actually sure I want to. nothing worse than a bad album by a favourite band.

Oh, I know it's not meant to be good. I want it purely for completeness reasons.

Is it 'bad'?

Or just 'bad by their standards'?

It is truly and definitely BAD: the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments, but Out Of Reach is pretty indefensible.
That said, I'm the proud owner of a copy exactly for the same reasons of Krakow. :)
The BBC album, instead, is marvellous and a fascinating glimpse into the band's compositional methods.

The best things on it are the Rosko Gee songs

Anyone else think "Inner Space" is under-rated? I'm not sure it's up there with the canonical records, but it's close IMO.

first time I've heard the recorded version of this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFYCE6VIt4&feature=related

delay is ok... "the thief" is a banger

Is Cannibalism worth bothering with? The remix of Yoo Doo Right sounds like warmed-over trip hop to me...

you mean Sacriliege? the Cannabalism albums are just compilations

Cannibalism 2 has a few of my fave Can moments (the crazy/fun Mother Upduff is supposedly a true story; Turtles Have Short Legs one of damo's best vocals; Shikiku Maru Ten also excellent wierdness)
the first Cannibalism is less essential if you already have the early Can records but there's a few different mixes iirc.
and yeah, Sacrilege had a couple pieces i liked but i only recall the Sonic youth one right now....

cannibalism ii's just such a great listen - it's edited together so well, the first clutch of songs p much sync up & match jaki's drums up iirc.

I never tried Cannibalism 1 since I have all the albums, plus I hate how "Yoo Doo Right" is the only full length piece there. Cannibalism 2 seems good but if you have Radio Waves and Unlimited Edition then it's kinda superfluous. Cannibalism 3 is a collection of solo material and it's actually pretty entertaining (though disappointing if you're expecting a lot of great instrumental stuff). As for the remix collection, I really thought it was a big wasted opportunity, you'll probably wind up liking 1-2 of the remixes and find the others a waste of time

Ah yes, sorry, I do mean Sacrilege. It's the 3p mix of Yoo Doo Right that didn't sound too great to me, some of the other remixers might do a better job though.

tbh that Yoo Doo Right mix was really the only thing on there I liked, so yeah. the other remixers don't do a great job either

I liked Bruce Gilbert's mix for being barking mad, the rest, as someone said, is "not my tea"

I need to check out Cannibalism 2

the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments

lol rev introduced me in the outloud room to the awesomeness that is "Aspectacle"

I like the edits on Cannibalism 1 when I'm in the mood for a peak-period Can mixtape. Sometimes I only need 8 minutes of Halleluwah!

yeah I'm not on board with all those who say it got "ruined" with an edit. it's not like it's "Close to the Edge" or "Supper's Ready" or anything! still, no idea why "Yoo Doo Right" survives intact

I got so used to the shorter "Mother Sky", the proper one seemed un-naturally elongated in places (i.e. bits obviously repeated)

yeh i knew Cannibalism first, the longer versions seemed weird when i finally heard them. and the longer versions are already edits of much longer jams!

that said, "halleluwah" definitely kicks it in its 18 minute version
"augmn" could be shorter though

has there been any discussion about the supposed box set anywhere?

this sounds pretty rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u4CtYbTT2-Y

from Can: The Lost Tapes

ha, it sounds like the music for "Italian Spiderman" - guessing that's a super-early cut?

super excited about this release. let's hope the next step is a decent sounding live recording!!

yeah it def has an earlier feel.
don't have to wait for a decent sounding live recording -- check this one: http://ow.ly/9XyYa

i'll have to grab that when i get home. i love the idea of live Can but that Live Box and the new Tago Mago bonus tracks just have so much tape hiss; could probably compress them to 64 kbps and not hear a difference

thanks tyler will grab that, there were some great boots on mutant sounds a year or two ago too

yeahhh, i think i got some of those - Future Days Past Nights? The 1973 show might not blow your mind in terms of sound quality (it's pretty good), but the performance is otherworldly.

thaaaaaaaaank yoooooooooooou

the one boot called Free Concert has Doko Daie Concert (excerpt) on it which is pretty great

yeah Free Concert is amazing.
here's another good one, not live, but a long tago mago outtake http://ow.ly/9XDnE

DAMN that is sweet!

Lol the first comment says "This reminds me of Radiohead"

I'm 100% fan-style flipping over this news. With the bands approach to recording and editing-for-release, I've always assumed there were reels and reels of material languishing--and had no expectation we'd ever hear any of it. So a 3CD boxed set--oh man, I may soon be literally counting down the days.

^^^ otm

this made me so happy

Thanks for all these bootleg recommendations, I'm really loving Free Concert and the Past Days

check out Great Britain 1977 too if you haven't heard it yet, the sound quality is p great

"Millionspiel" is really fantastic, can't stop listening to it. Will it all be this good?
looks like the mutant sounds links are all good to go: http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/12/its-raining-can-bootlegs.html

It's the first of their albums I ever heard and I still love it, massively underrated

That's my feeling about Flow Motion

New live album coming out Aston 1977

Yep, and into the Rosko Gee era! The sample track sounds really good, I'm glad this series is still marching forward.

https://canofficial.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-aston-1977

very nice, I was wondering if we'd get some later period shows

The artwork for this series is so awful, I do not understand it!

The artwork for this series is so awful, I do not understand it!

I don't know, I actually like it.

I'd heard from someone that Aston was coming in May and one from Keele University was coming in August. I guess he must've had an inside source. Keele I believe is the Fizz show which is really excellent and well-recorded. it was also recorded two days from this show so the Aston album (which looks like a single LP?) might be superfluous soon. whatever, I'll probably buy it anyway

i like the artwork too

Can is one of the greats and I’m never going to complain about getting more live material at all but for some reason none of them have hit like Brighton for me and I don’t know if that’s because that was the first one so it was new and exciting and I put a lot of time into listening to it or if I just actually like that one more than all the rest on a purely musical level.

In other words it feels like a case of the latter but I could be blinded by it actually being a case of the former.

Stuttgart is the first one, and I kinda agree the next two were kinda superfluous after that. Paris is different though and I suspect the next two will be as well

Goddammit Stuttgart is the one I meant and the only one I have a physical copy of.

Paris is great, it’s probably my favorite right now (probably because I was listening to it just the other day. Catch me on another day and I might pick a different one ).

just picked up Paris a week ago and that definitely hit the sweet spot.

I realized I haven't listened to it so far, so I have it on now

Is this a double album? The bootleg of this gig lasts 78 minutes.

... or do we have another Cuxhaven on our hands?

I suspect that will be the case yes, only the 1st four tracks. 4th track of the boot = Dizzy Dizzy = 4th track here as well.

So probably going to miss the last 3 tracks (sunshine, I want more, kami kazi attempt)

Wish I knew what drove the decision to cut some of these down, I'm not sure I understand the arbitrary choices to shave some down.

total madness

could be something with the boots themselves - I don't think this is sourced from the same recording. the drums sound quite different to me, as though this bootlegger got a lot closer. could also be something with the vinyl release, like maybe they didn't have the capacity to do a double, though maybe not because the Brighton release probably didn't need to be a triple...its 90 minutes but they could've easily cut out some of the second half where it's just dead space between sets. curious how the next one will be handled, if indeed that is the Fizz recording they should just use the version that was played on the radio, since it was recorded really well.

it is pretty maddening though, I don't really need another version of "Dizzy Dizzy" but would love "Sunshine Day and Night", one of my favorite tracks of the Rosko/Reebop era