why dont black people really like any music other than black music?

Fuck, I'm surprised that anyone likes Phil Collins!

is it that simple? i dont think this is about geography. its not like the black community in london listens to say, (a british genre like) grime over hip hop and dancehall. if that was the case it would be selling a lot more!

what is REAL black culture? would would black culture look like/sound like/etc without the tarnish, firstworld?

Here's the thing. Really seriously. When people say stuff like in this thread title it's basically just a vicious circle of assumptions -- black people "only" listen to e.g. hip-hop if your idea of "authentic blackness" involves traits like listening to hip-hop. Weird black evangelicals who listen to cheesy white-Christian music don't count because they're "exceptions" to this stupid concept of "actual-blackness," and black kids who like indie don't count for the same reason, and 10-year-old middle-class black girls who really like Hillary Duff don't count for the same reason, and so you whittle down to your already-existing idea of what the core of blackness is, and then you look at it like an idiot and say "Hey, how come black people all conform to the exact stereotypes I use to decide what black people are like?"

White people pushing derivativeness on the blacks again! Just like crack in the ghettos!

fresh prince -- "real".
lil jon -- real.
t.i. -- rilly real.
missy -- real
david banner -- Real.
mike jones -- “real”
eminem -- real
2pac -- 4real
biggie -- "Real."

get it?

i love that "black music" is a "genre"

and yes, there are tons of other threads about this very subject, some of which are alternately funnier and more offensive (like the "why does black people never want to rock" thread linked earlier).

That's one of the funny fuzzy things in this conversation (which I suppose is to be expected, given that it was started by a troll): what does "black music" mean? Genres enjoyed/sustained by black listeners? (Which would make the question kind of tautological, right?) Or music made by black people? The question pretends that they're the same thing for artists as well as listeners, and they're not.

I'm still confused by okok's rock shows without non-white people, though. I don't think I've even been to super-indie shows that didn't at least have a bunch of east Asians there, if not south Asians, black hipsters, etc. And if you talk about mainstream popular-culture "rock" music, there are still reasonable amounts of diversity, whether it's Latinos at a nu-metal show or the near-proportional smattering of all races for Maroon 5 or something.

The main thing that scares me, though, is the weird invisibility of black people who don't fit the standard underclass model. Americans of all races are obsessed with that black-underclass model, but when black people aren't in it -- which is supposedly what we all officially want to happen -- they become invisible, un-"real", absent from the way people think about race. Which is bizarre, since these are exactly the people who come in closest contact with middle-class white people -- they're the regular-old black people working in your office and maybe listening to some Toni Braxton during the commute home, the people you presumably get along with less as "black people" and more as just some folks you know from wherever it is you know them -- and they're cut out of the discourse! Because we continually cut away "real" blackness to mean "the Other" blackness.

this is interesting... ie, "you're only REALLY black if I'm scared and/or confused by you" is the subtext.

I'm surprised we still bother to mention when nabisco's otm.

or have we dealt with this already by saying that of course black people venture out of 'black music' (as if this is some grand gesture to be applauded), its often just not seen as being 'real' black people (whatever that means) - i suppose in this thread were saying 'white people' as = white masses and 'black people' as black masses. im still not totally into having to justify that yes, black people do listen to non black music though, does it really matter if they dont? its not as if all white people like all black music is it? anyway, i know plenty of black people who like various types of music.

oh this thread is pissing me off.

http://www.lindamcalistertalent.com/gallery/061404-gilliam4.jpg

the majority of the music i listen to is "black" these days. of course i'm counting anything with a groove so...regardless, i'm not hurting for variety.

You're telling me that you'd never even considered Geir's deportment on here as abnormal?

C'mon, he's some kid of 49 who never goes anywhere, and listens to music all the time in his room. Sometimes he's not on ILM.

probably ILM's biggest ever loony, and that's saying something

OK, that's enough now

Geir's never disrupted a funeral or tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money, so he's not the "biggest" loony.

dom do you think geir is more or less crazy than your average girlfriend

Less, obviously.

Also I'm pretty sure Geir exists and his pics are real.

never disrupted a funeral or tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of mone

at least these things only happened one time, not every day for years and years

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

You're telling me that you'd never even considered Geir's deportment on here as abnormal?
Oh, absolutely. But I always attributed it to a combination of a language barrier and rabid solipsism.

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:13 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Let's not.

Seriously, let's not.

Ah, history.... (xpost yeah, let's not)

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

i'm amazed these subjects weren't discussed at length at the rocktimists/lbzc summit

Also he isn't a Bill Deedes impersonator.

I've never heard of those subjects before.

I'm all at sea

i'm amazed these subjects weren't discussed at length at the rocktimists/lbzc summit

― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:15 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

We mainly talk about the 90s when we meet up, else Enrique gets a little agitated.

"What's 9/11?" being his main point re; current affairs. He can remember the death of Diana, though.

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/actors/d/images/007a.jpg

RIP BIG FELLA

Are we done here?

Think we were done here round about post 5?

http://www.memorygongs.com/come_to_hongro.jpg

― Trayce, Saturday, June 2, 2007 10:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Trayce: That pic goes straight into my Facebook images archive. Great ;)

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, June 3, 2007 12:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink