Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

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I don't care, just so long as this debate exists. Because then, anytime anyone mentions Morrissey, I can just dismissively say "oh, yeah, that racist motherfucker" and get people to stop fucking talking about him.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wasn't it you, Momus, who talked about seeing an early show by them and doing nothing but videotaping Justine at chest level?

It was indeed me. I still have the tape. It was partly because there was only one light at the Camden Falcon and it happened to be shining right down Justine's chest, making it look like a relief map of the paps of Jura.

― Momus, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I was told yesterday that Morrissey is Bob the Builder. Well "Slap me on the patio..."

― Loop Dandy, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Momus: somewhat unrelated to the actual issue, I agree with Mark -- I would go further than Mark, actually -- with regard to the public's right to declare pretty much any artist it chooses a racist, socialist, misogynist, or neurotic based solely on the content of the art itself. To say that this screen of "character" somehow mystifies the whole thing beyond the listener's comprehension is to basically smack the listener down and say "you are stupid," or at least "you are not allowed to have critical thinking skills": we can understand that an artist is "playing" a character and yet -- and note that this is unrelated to Morrissey -- we are still allowed to make decisions as to how the artist apparently feels about that character. To pretend otherwise is to say that Billy Bragg's "The Few" may actually be pro-racism or that unironically imperious busts of Lenin could theoretically be arguments for capitalism. People are not necessarily idiots, and while it may be better to shelve accusations in those instances where the "text" could be interpreted either way, this does not bar our essential ability to pass judgement when we think judgement is called for.

Morrissey's mistake was that his flirtation with the far right seemed largely a matter of aesthetics, and a matter of fashion. One could accuse of him "racism" not insofar as there's much evidence that he actually holds such beliefs, but insofar his willingness to flirt with them the way 90s bands flirted with trip-hop -- as if he were completely oblivious to how very important such issues were, and how his actions could very well make it that much more likely for thousands of Asian kids to get beaten bloody -- well, this is not a fine thing to do and not a fine thing to be glib or silent about, because it matters. The artist's God complex is that he is free to pick and choose signifiers from the air and invest them only with whatever meaning he thinks they have to him -- but then it ceases to be art, which is about communication, and becomes either impenetrable solipsism or drunken raving. Momus, you should not give artists a free pass on this any more than you should give it to bank managers or cab drivers: this "don't draw real-world conclusions from anything" is a route to making art either meaningless or completely dull.

― Nitsuh, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(Another way of putting this is that when we look at the Chinese man in the film of "Breakfast at Tiffany's" -- who is even more of a "character" than any narrator Morrissey's ever devised -- we're still learning something very real about how both the screenwriter and Rooney view, or are willing to view, Chinese men. To say we can't possibly make critical judgements about such things is to tie our hands and leave us at the mercy of artists who are often painfully oblivious to why anything might actually matter in the real world.)

― Nitsuh, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

my point was more, yeh, give morrissey his "Art = A Free Pass" pass, but then you have to give the *same* pass to the NME: their project is also "artistically valid" ie its consequences in the world are of no relevance to its aesthetic success (also audience gets pass, but since its expression of *its* creative reworking doesn't on the whole manifest publicly, ILM excepted heh, this = a slight red herring)

anyway, if moz didn't want to play MassKult headgamez with stardom and slebrity, why sign to emi at all? it's a waste of global corporate outreach and he = a ToTaL LaYMuR as a result (cf dave q's only-too exact crit of the actual nme editorial gameplan: this shd have been a manipulative symbol-war of titans, using every field of media; instead SPM went uber-indie on everyone and (implicitly) made it just abt the music maaan... basically nme offered him the chance to be bowie and he fucked out)

― mark s, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(pah i am still not being v.clear i think)

― mark s, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is from the "MOZ FAQ" at http://www.oz.net/~moz/faq/faqlyric.htm

"At the heat of the racist debate, the former NME editor Steve Sutherland wondered if Morrissey's alleged racism "might be a gay thing". "

I wonder if that quote is true?

― Dickon Edwards, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have several questions here. First, isn't the "Union Jack" just the British flag? What is racist about that? Second, how is any of this different from the audience-baiting tactics so admired in people like Iggy Pop (who actually physically attacked the audience, right?) and the Velvet Underground (who terrorized with noise, supposedly). Is it less acceptable for a wuss like Morrissey, whose music is completely non-threatening, to wage a more subtle war with his audience? To me, it's just about the only interesting thing about the Smiths. It is especially easy for me to imagine why someone like Morrissey would want to build a wall between himself and his audience (alienation being his lifeblood and meal-ticket). Any fascist imagery could conceivably serve the dual purpose of parodying this separation between the Morrissey and his fans, and enhancing this separation by making the audience feel uncomfortable. The more salient question to me is, did you, as a Smiths fan, find this material repugnant or not, and if so, why did you continue listening to the Smiths?

Every single person I knew growing up who was a Smiths fan was Asian (mostly of Chinese descent, over here). I haven't heard any of the Smith's songs in question, but from their titles I'm guessing they portray the same beautiful losers as all the other Smiths' songs I have heard. Anyway, it is impossible for me to fathom that some paki-bashing yob could have been inspired by Morrissey (of all people!) Or was England in the 80's really like this?

― Kris, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just looked at the lyrics to "Asian Rut", and sure enough it's the same comically macabre melodrama as everything else I've heard from them. What is supposed to be offensive about stuff like this? It would be like ladies from Nantucket getting cross over a dirty limerick.

― Kris, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First note: if you're looking for an excuse for Morrissey, the clear starting point is that no one got upset about his hard-on for other types of non-racist Bad People, as there was no ideology to attach to them -- but surely we can imagine his previous subject-characters were as violent and nasty as the skins, if for different purposes. I don't subscribe to this line of reasoning, but still.

Kris, I think you're entirely right -- particularly w/r/t fans and what Smiths fandom actually "meant" in the public sphere. I, anyway, was at no point bothered in any deep sense by listening to the Smiths / Morrissey, and never imagined that Morrissey's flirtations with near-racist symbols actually reflected near-racist ideology on his own part. It did, however, make me like him a lot less as time went on: it is one thing to traffic in such symbols in the process of making a relevant artistic statement, but to toy mutely with them for no massive purpose strikes me as dumb and glib and something of a mockery of how very real and threatening and Actually Quite Serious such symbols are. It made Morrissey look like a decent artist who really needed to stick with his own neuroses and keep his nose out of cultural politics for fear of hugely embarrassing himself.

I wrote in something a while ago that "conservatism" can be a very lovely thing in pop music, when it is only aesthetic and the actual workings of the world are not at stake -- thus Morrissey's paens to vanishing Anglicisms never struck me as actually reactionary. But as he toed lines between aesthetics and cold hard reality he raised the possibility that those paens weren't purely aesthetic or personal/emotional, and I think it made him look both silly and stupid, or in any case completely unaware that Symbols Mean Something beyond what they mean in the very scenic midscape of Stephen Patrick Morrissey.

I do agree that looking at lyrics is unhelpful. "National Front Disco" is loaded with sarcasm from the very title, and anyway assigns plenty of threat to the idea: where has our dear boy gone -- oh dear, he has gone bad, and by that time in the man's career you could tell that he recognized the badness but just had an idiosyncratic attraction to it. "Asian Rut" eulogizes the Asian boy, if patronizingly. "Bengali in Platforms" is basically the height of condescension and exhibits really iffy word choice with the "belong," but it seems less virulent than just sort of solipsistic and dumb, i.e. Morrissey is so blindly English that he never considers that life can be way harder elsewhere even if you do "belong" there, and basically just demonstrates his inability to think properly about anything that doesn't slot nicely into his very English little world.

― Nitsuh, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"At the heat of the racist debate, the former NME editor Steve Sutherland wondered if Morrissey's alleged racism "might be a gay thing"." I wonder if that quote is true?

I'm almost positive that is true, because I recall reading something very similar to this in the NME at the time....iirc Sutherland was editing the letters page and was speculating about it.

― Nicole, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...

Heh, Heh, heh, heh, You guys! All this speculation is very amusing, hilarious! But you are all scrutinizing the issue to closely. What you need to do is stand back and look at the writing on the wall. Any of you who love Morrissey should know by now (and the rest of who do not should listen up). The Man is a genius at using words and imagery to add to all that he is and projects outwardly to be. All of his songs are controversial to some degree, however each are all just stories about people... Merely fictional characters! Vauxhall and I: The girl in "Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning" is going to let her nemesis drown. There is a Stalking song: "The More you ignore me the closer I get", The whole entire album of Kill Uncle is claimed to be about murders. November spawned a monster about a birth defective person in a wheel chair. C'mon!!! For crying out loud!! The minute you read the lyrics for National Front Disco or Bengali In Platforms you should have known that it was all Morrissey storytelling with young protagonist feeling misplaced and looking for approval or love. Does Everyone actually think that Morrissy was 16, clumsy and Shy and went to London and Booked Himself in at the Y.W.C.A??? - NO that song is about a 16 YEAR OLD SHY CLUMY GIRL WHO HAS A CRUSH ON SOMEONE.... Get it together folks! It's Called SENSATIONALISM!!! Do think that Motley Crue worshiped Satan? - NO! Do you think that Vanilla Ice or the Backstreet Boys came from a rough neighborhood? - No Siree! Do you think that Micheal Jackson had a woman named Billy Jean to accuse him of impregnating her? Nope, just a song my friends. -Hey maybe Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, and Robert Plant really know this lady who bought the actual stairway TO HEAVEN???!! People they're just songs, and there just stories and I believe that Morrissey is very outspoken and if he were really racist, or desired to look racist I doubt we would have to be guessing by the lyrics in one of his many many story telling songs. Get - a - life....

― Duke Rojas, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wow, thanks for setting me on the right path! You are truly an insightful person who has gauged the situation with perfect accuracy, and knows all of our hearts oh so well.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Those random googlers are often like that, aren't they? Quite uncanny really. Makes me feel less alone in the world

― electric sound of jim, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think this is the part where somebody tells us we gotta honour the fire or something. Anyhow, resuscitated threads are OK by me, especially when the personified-narrator catch-all is being exhumed from its grave yet again. Morrissey has made an entire career out of arguing, explicitly, that the distance between his authorial voice and himself is as narrow a distance as can reasonably be achieved in art. Odd, how the personified narrator defense is most often invoked when defending people who should know better against charges of either racism or sexism. Odd.////// As to the utterly brilliant "16 Clumsy and Shy," our Mozz- loving friend above (don't freak, I love him m'self, quite a lot actually) has missed the point of that song completely. The joke is that Morrissey/Morrissey's narrator (O how dull to do that every time, lest one be accused of unsophisticated theoretical grounding!), a young man uncomfortable in his own skin, attempted to check himself into the YWCA. The point of the big dramatic pause after he pronounces "Y" is to play up how sadly comic the vision of a 16 year old Mancunian guy going to the big city and checking in at the YWCA is. The narrator of the song is male.

― John Darnielle, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

John nails it! And brilliantly at that. And hey, I got the Ludus comp with bits of Moz commentary today, along with Stockholm Monsters luv. Yay Manchester, yay LTM!

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That Ludus comp is so great. I played it for the N-Sync lovin' kids I work with at the day job and even they thought it was kind of cool. We did a conga line to "Let Me Go Where My Pictures Go."

― John Darnielle, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...

Morissey seems like an intelligent person who will not allow his thoughts to be policed by pseudo-intellectual politically correct sheep and bullies like you lot.

― Jack Hobbs, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, we're all trying to bully Morrissey, that's it.

You may or may not have noticed that there is a diversity of thought and opinion on this thread.

― N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow, Jack just managed to use the world's two dumbest and most meaningless criticisms in the same sentence.

― nabisco%%, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also I have no idea why I described the Japanese Mr. Yunioshi from Breakfast at Tiffany's as Chinese.

― nabisco%%, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because you are a notorious racist.

― N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

If I ever do create a band called Ladyboy, the first single is going to be called "Notorious Racist".

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's the cover art going to be? Sepia-toned shot of you looking down pensively at a collection of Sartre's works in French?

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL22/558697/829025/9687797.ptp

― Judd Nelson, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok, Nabisco, here is the meaning - sorry this needs clarification! `Pseuso` - Sham, fake or spurious. 15C Middle English `Intellectual` - Person with highly developed powers of rational and intelligent thought. 14C Middle English `Politically Correct` Originally an ironic description of dogmatic left wing control of language, criticising the concept of personal preferemce or opinion being deemed either `correct` or `incorrect` by an unidentified liberal elite. Modern - origin unknown. Clear? See also Orwellian. Class dismissed.

― Jack Hobbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

sir, you have described me to a tee!

although i had, until recently at least, been under the misapprehension that pseudo-intellectual meant someone who talked about 'intellectual' ideas which you didn't like, and the political- correctness was a label in use by right wingers to criticise language or actions they didn't like! but then, i'm daft like that!

― gareth, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, didn't mean to bully. or police.

― gareth, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree, Jack. A similar witch hunt was perpretrated by parts of the music press against the Canadian rock band, Rush, for their lyricist`s (Neil Peart) use of the writings of anti-communist author Ayn Rand as the foundation for their album, `2112`. They were childishly branded `Fascist`. Free speech means you might not like someone`s views but unfortunately, they are just as entitled to them as you are to yours. Suppression is always counter-productive (which I think was the main theme of `2112`).

― justine redmond, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

When did anyone on this board attempt to censor Morrissey (or for that matter Rush)? Can't people discuss the implications of including controversial (or semi-controversial or just plain stupid) images in lyrics without being "censors"?

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Indeed. Only attempt at censorship on this thread that I can see was by Mr Hobbs.

Tell me about the new Rush album, justine (or anyone). Any good? Do the lyrics reflect any of Neil's recent tragic experiences?

― Jeff W, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree that there is nothing wrong per se with criticising `dodgy` lyrics, it`s just that these days, the slightest whisper of the word `racist` tends to lead to slurs, witch hunts and often brutal censorship. Only my view! Jeff, at the risk of breaking the thread, Neil Peart did return to the studio with Alex and Geddy recently. I have not seen the new lyrics but I know the sudden deaths of his daughter and wife have devastated him almost totally. It will depend on whether he wishes to use the new music as a cathartic tool or avoids the subject as the wounds are still open and raw.

― justine redmond, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'often brutal censorship'

Damn right! I attempted to buy a Smiths CD and nearly got lynched right in the store! I'm sure this happens to everyone who listens to such near-the-knuckle material! Some perspective is always nice

― dave q, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, Dave there have been many instances of Anti Nazi `lynch mobs` both inside and outside Morrissey gigs in England. Not nice for young fans to have `racist` screamed at them cos they`re getting into some good music. Don`t underestimate these nutters.

― Simon Atkins, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

only that which is gained through struggle is worth getting

― dave q, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It is indeed unlikely, Dave, that you would be lynched in the record store, but entirely possible that a store (or several) might decide not to stock a cd with racial controversy surrounding it. Censorship, see? and of the worst kind ie. self-censorship caused by fear of demonisation by the mob.

― Jack Hobbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

no one here has suggested censorship jack. many people here are interested in morrissey though, and have speculated in a variety of ways on a particularly interesting singer. i do not understand how this is a bad thing for people to do

― gareth, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh for god's sake, record shops not carrying stuff does NOT equal censorship. As long as you can buy it without being jailed I think there's other things to worry about. So what if you can't find it at the local Wal-Mart? Boohoo, you might have to go to a specialty shop in town, or order over the net. Though most music listeners resent paying for anything nowadays, so the fact any CDs are still stocked at all is gravy.

― dave q, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Besides, you've already fucking HEARD it (I guess), so even if every copy in the world is destroyed, nothing short of a lobotomy will get it out of your subconscious anyway! If bands neglect to tape a live show are they 'censoring themselves' by not allowing people who weren't there to hear it? Do you people complain if somebody doesn't cut your steamed veg into little pieces for you?

― dave q, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave. The only struggle those sad dick-heads have is with reality! I hate it when you are arguing and someone resorts to slogans, platitudes and sound-bites (usually means they ran out of arguments!) Besides, it`s not a struggle to buy a pint, and that`s always worth having!

― Simon Atkins, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do take your point, Dave, it just depresses me that people`s reputations can be sullied permanently by even well meaning discussion about race/racism. Morrissey is probably sub conciously censoring his own lyrics now because of disillusionment at some of the garbage that`s been slung his way, and that definitely makes us all the poorer.

― Jack Hobbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Morrissey is probably sub conciously censoring his own lyrics now because of disillusionment at some of the garbage that`s been slung his way, and that definitely makes us all the poorer.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm sorry. I'll stop crying in a second. Hold on. One more second. Hehe. Okay.

You're right. WE ARE ALL POORER. Do you think Morrissey might have been censoring himself ALL along and that he has some GOOD songs somewhere he's been HIDING from everyone?

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jack:

"[Morrissey's] an intelligent person who will not allow his thoughts to be policed by pseudo-intellectual politically correct sheep and bullies."

"Morrissey is probably sub conciously censoring his own lyrics now."

― Tim, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Morrissey is probably sub conciously censoring his own lyrics now because of disillusionment at some of the garbage that`s been slung his way, and that definitely makes us all the poorer'

You mean the way NWA cleaned up their act after getting calls from the FBI?

― dave q, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

this gives me an idea...

― jess, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Q - you're my favourite comedian, for today at least.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim "Subconcious" - Mental activity below the threshold of conciousness, not controlled by the intellect. He can be intelligently defiant and subconciously compliant at the same time, so I`m afraid Jack`s apparently contradictory statement still holds water!! The defence rests. By the way, AC DC rule!

― Sledge, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Right, so what Jack was saying in his opening gambit was that Morrissey *was* being affected by the whole thing, yes?

― Tim, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Funny, Jack. How about this:

Pseudo-intellectual: something people call others when they're unwilling or unable to form a proper rejoinder to a well-developed and perfectly coherent argument that they happen to disagree with.

Politically correct: term people use when invoking ridiculous belief that they're allowed to say anything they want and others aren't allowed to point out that what they've said may well be idiotic or despicable.

I mean, that's what, four posts on this thread, and you haven't actually addressed the question, which is what we can glean about Morrissey's actual beliefs on these issues. Your only argument thus far has been that people should have zippers over their mouths and brains and not be allowed to have opinions about anything anyone else has said.

― nabisco%%, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

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i was being ironic guys.
like bugs bunny, making a comment out of the side of his mouth while chewing a carrot.
like a millennial.

― treeship., Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link

The only clip I saw was the video for "Everyone Is Horrid Except Me (And Possibly You)", which was good. Unsurprised to learn Bret McKenzie wrote the music.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link

that song was the funniest thing to me

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link

Cant believe this has been on the news here.

― candyman, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link

I’m surprised that enough americans know who morrissey is to warrant a Simpsons parody but I then again I don’t know what young people are up to

He could sell out huge arenas in Los Angeles and maybe NYC in the early ‘90s, so a few oldsters remember him. And presumably, it’s the oldsters who are watching broadcast TV on Sunday nights.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:41 (three years ago) link

is that what Lisa looks like now or is it just this episode???

― eisimpleir (crüt), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link

He could sell out huge arenas in Los Angeles and maybe NYC in the early ‘90s, so a few oldsters remember him.

The episode writer and the executive producer both saw him at the Hollywood Bowl in 2018

― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:00 (three years ago) link

what Lisa looks like in this episode:

https://cdn.ilpost.it/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Morrissey.jpg

― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link

Who is this possibly for

― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:09 (three years ago) link

It's got more people talking about/engaging with both the Simpsons and Moz than they have in donkey's years, so...

― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

Who was last week's episode possibly for

― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 23:11 (three years ago) link

Who is singing Moz in the "everything is horrid" song - Bret Mckenzie or Bene Cummerbund? It sounds more like Bret to me (and it has def FotC shades)

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link

Cumberbatch, directed over video conference by McKenzie.

― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link

is that what Lisa looks like now or is it just this episode???

Dude she’s in her 40s sexist much?

― In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link

^ Comment of the day

Also, this:

“Neither do I have a determined business squad of legal practitioners ready to pounce. I think this is generally understood and is the reason why I am so carelessly and noisily attacked. You are especially despised if your music affects people in a strong and beautiful way, since music is no longer required to.”

1335 posts deep into the "Is Morrissey Racist?" thread, and we finally get some clarity on why people keep attacking him.

― enochroot, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link

Who is this possibly for

It's for Morrissey dude.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 09:16 (three years ago) link

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat) at 4:41 20 Apr 21

I’m surprised that enough americans know who morrissey is to warrant a Simpsons parody but I then again I don’t know what young people are up to

He could sell out huge arenas in Los Angeles and maybe NYC in the early ‘90s, so a few oldsters remember him. And presumably, it’s the oldsters who are watching broadcast TV on Sunday nights.

yeah but he had the whole phenomenon of his big, young Latino fanbase in the mid oughts

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 12:52 (three years ago) link

So many conflicted feelings on this throwback...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/8/83/MST3k_City_Limits-_MN_as_Morrissey.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20121026180430

― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link

so an old record store buddy of mine has a sense of humor.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 23 April 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

...huh.

https://pitchfork.com/news/adollarap-rocky-says-morrissey-is-on-his-new-album-all-smiles/

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link

lol @ the url, "ADOLLARAP" is a good rap name

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link

“Anything you need him to do, he show up and do,” Rocky said of working with the Smiths co-founder.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 20 May 2021 08:21 (two years ago) link

I thought this thread had been shut down and moved to another with a better title

― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 20 May 2021 08:25 (two years ago) link

Morrissey is a racist

― enochroot, Thursday, 20 May 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link

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