Weezer's "Say It Isn't So" vs Hall & Oates' "Say It Isn't So"

god help me, I still love that first record. Might've been my first cassette.

hall and oates have also aged well (looks-wise) -- oates STILL looks like john oates, and darryl hall looks like yer coolest uncle!

what's wrong w/ "private eyes"?!?

("maneater" is musically fine, but lyrically kinda dumb.)

and now many of us are old enough to be dads ourselves, so = h&o AND steely dan DOES = DADROCK yay!!

in what world is pinkerton weezer's most commercial record?

so did john oates!

closest would be either (or BOTH) abandoned luncheonette or war babies.

then there was darryl's solo rekkid w/ ROBERT FRIPP ... one of the great WTF? moments.

1. Can't Stop The Music(He Played It Much To Long)
2. Is It A Star
3. Beane G. And The Rose Tattoo
4. You're Much Too Soon
5. 70's Scenario
6. War Baby Son Of Zorro
7. I'm Watching You(A Mutant Romance)
8. Better Watch Your Back
9. Screaming Through December
10. Johnny Gore And The > Eaters

How's the second Hall solo album (the one with the long-ass title)?

(i haven't actually heard this one, so i can neither confirm nor deny that thought.)

also, check out the video for EC's "the only flame in town" -- EC getting PWNED by his mastah, darryl hall!

seriously though...no.

As Douglas Wolk has pointed out elsewhere, "Las Vegas Turnaround" from Abandoned Luncheonette is TOTALLY a B&S song.

Having just finished seeing EC 30 minutes ago, as far as comparisons between him and H&O, well, I can't go for that (no can do), just because there's really not much in common there (plus EC's catalogue's a lot better)

After listening to "Big Bam Boom a couple of times, I conclude that it's a better album than "Punch the Clock." But no damn way is "Private Eyes" a better album than "Trust," nor is "Abandoned Luncheonette" a better album than "This Year's Model."

EC can still write great songs, while H&O's original inspiration seems to have dried up. Frankly, I dont think they listen much to the radio; they were always great synthesists. Maybe if you played Daryl Hall the new Beck he'd show Mr. Hansen how to do soul right.

That's cuz the video uses the 12" version!

Holy shit, I think Steve's on to something re: Pixies. I've played them side by side now and it isn't really a ripoff but the comparison is definitely valid. And I feel like I knew that subconsciously. Wow.

The weezer tune is great but the progression is basically lifted from "Where is My Mind" by The Pixies.

-- St3ve Go1db3rg, Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:44 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Link

isn't every chord progression pretty much lifted from some other pop song?

The video uses the 12" version! Hahah. I love it.

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Perhaps, Surmounter, but an awful lot of bands ripped off the Pixies.

I feel the chord sequence is fairly common. Is it not also in "Teenage dirtbag"? :/

a lot of chord sequences that make for really catch songs are fairly common, IMO

it's really just a bunch of power chords and little else isn't it

There is more to rock music than chord progressions.

Say It Ain't So and Where Is My Mind share the same chords but in a different order, and the tempos are similar.. however they also have different vocal melodies, different counter melodies, different guitar fills, different production, different lyrics, and the musicians play the songs differently, and also Frank Black and Rivers Cuomo do not have similar vocal styles.

also the instruments used on both songs are different

also different producer

Yeah.. what I was saying is that I'm sick of people saying that song was "ripped off" from another because the chord progressions are similar.

Perhaps, Surmounter, but an awful lot of bands ripped off the Pixies.

H&O didn't!

I don't think SIAS was "ripped off" from WIMM and I don't think the shared progression takes anything away from it being a great song. But I think the case for WIMM influencing SIAS is strong and I think it's an interesting connection. It's not a super-obscure chord progression (and not just power chords-- WIMM verse goes E C#m G# A, SIAS verse goes C#m G# A E), but it's not exactly a "standard" progression either. The G# following the C#m rather than preceding it and then resolving deceptively to the A is pretty distinctive.

Can we get back to discussing what is clearly the superior of the two tracks?

I love this thread.

What if you think they're equal?

Hall & Oates' "Say It Isn't So" is the greatest song of all time.

Are you people out of your fucking minds? I hoped that the hipster world's brief foray into Hall and Oates apreciation ended that stupid week where Ben Gibbard made that dumb list on Pitchfork, then Pitchfork had that dumb news feature about their tour. It's not like the Weezer "Say It Ain't So" falls under their dubious ironic period, it's just great.
― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:11 PM

I listen to H&O about 10x more than Weezer, but "Say It Ain't So" is Rivers' best song, and "Say It Isn't So" wouldn't make my list of top 20 H&O tracks
(I'm sure Alfred already made this list, so I'm off to compare it with my own mental list).

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/mano-a-mano-the-best-of-daryl-hall-and-john-oates/

Say It Isn't So would sound amazing coming from nearly any other band, but it's up against things like I Can't Go For That and Kiss On My List.

Why haven't Weezer ever put out a greatest hits btw? They're totally a singles band.

they did, it's the one with the blue cover

No Head, no cred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTa2PeIdxs

I would not have guessed that that guy had a soft-rock/folkie period