Melody Maker's review of Kula Shaker's "K"

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NK was the first indie press writer to go to bat for R&B music as well, wasn't he? Or at least R&B that wasn't Janet Jackson.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

him and steven wells, probably.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually simon price, big booster of 'crazysexycool' iirc.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

This reviewer is so ageist he should never have been allowed to be one.

The 90s was badly in need of retro music. Hip-hop and house/electronica was about to destroy music, and Britpop was needed to re-estalish the tune ass all that mattered again.

Kula Shaker may not be particularly good but they should not be critized for being retro and writing proper tunes, because that's just a positive thing.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

the tune ass

Just got offed, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

I heard Geir Hongro wants to kill all black people. Confirm/deny?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

you've made a good start, but SFG are small fry

Scouting for Girls have the number 12 album this week unfortunately.

Dom, Monster Magnet are great!

Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I used to go to school with a girl who had a... that guy from Monster Magnet (Dave something) poster on all of her workbooks and folders. She was about 6'3". They sucked.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Covering ALL yr folders in MM is going too far I admit. You have to leave some to cover in Kyuss posters.

Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's a satanic drug thing, you wouldn't understand

xpost

DJ Mencap, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

I heard Geir Hongro wants to kill all black people. Confirm/deny?

This is not about skin colour. Black people should also write proper tunes, and when they do they do it just as great as white people.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/ea/200px-Aabf09.jpg

"And that's the end of that chapter"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kula Shaker weren't that bad in retrospect. Oasis were actually worse than Kula Shaker, I think (worse tunes, stupider lyrics - some achievement! - more derivative, dreary plodding feel) Athlete are far worse than Kula Shaker, Scouting for Girls are are worse than Kula Shaker by a distance as great as the distance between the 2 farthest points in the galaxy. I suspect most 2nd division britpop and nearly all lammo music is not only worse than Kula Shaker, but actually much worse. (this is not saying much I know)

Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

<i>Kulkinari is the only writer from the mid 90s NME/MM axis that I would still bother going back and reading, _but_ his musical taste was dreadful and Sleeper were actually better than any band he used to plug of his own accord (lol monster magnet lol).</i>

i have just discovered that jw locked the 'RONG' thread on nb, so let me just say RONG, and that monster magnet>>>>>>sleeper, and that kulkarni is deathlessly genius. his musical taste was fucking dead sharp, and i own many fine albums thans to his advice.

stevie, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Man, if ONLY we still had an ILXor who was capable of starting Sleeper vs American rock band threads....

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kula Shaker should be judged by the only criteria that matters, their melodies, which is were they fall short of - among others - Oasis by ripping off old Stone Roses songs and calling them their own.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

ripping off old Stone Roses songs

How dare they steal those original Roses tunes.

onimo, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

"...fashion journalist Alexis Petridis in The Guardian..."

Ha ha ha 10/10 Dom.

Oasis entire career has been based on lifting other bands' songs, Geir!

Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oasis are lifting riffs, Stone Roses are lifting actual melodic lines. Important difference. "Into The Blue" is an entire lift of "Bye Bye Badmen". Oasis were only influenced by, say, the piano theme from "Imagine" without ever copying it note for note.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Lots of hip-hop tunes are based upon lifting riffs or tunes from older tunes note for note though. Which is one of the reasons why hip-hop is inferior.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

Surely a great tune stays a great tune? In fact, copying an extant magical melidy is the best thing to do.

Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

melody, obv.

Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Surely a great tune stays a great tune?

But when it is composed it is composed and it doesn't need to be recomposed.

It's better to compose a new tune in the exact same style, and chances are it may be a great tune too.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Geir is on his hobby horse here and shouldn't be encouraged (I kinda thought he'd grown past some of these ideas but I guess getting misty-eyed for britpop has reawakened the zealot in him), but I can't help myself: Geir between the sort of "theft? tribute!" melodic cribbing that Oasis does and sampling, I know the latter seems more creative to me. Oasis picks your pocket and tries to look innocent; hip hop folds your dollar a half-dozen times and hands in back to you in a shape you wouldn't have guessed at. Lifting a riff honestly and recontextualizing it = writing; aping a style or two as Oasis did = pastiche.

J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 12:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

Pastiche is musical genius.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

And a good tune shouldn't be changed or "shaped" it should be kept the way the composer intended it.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

And a good tune shouldn't be changed or "shaped" it should be kept the way the composer intended it.

most composers, including Beethoven, Chopin, and all the romantics you claim to like, disagree strongly with you on this point, as the use of a theme by another composer is a time- and tradition-honored practice; the only constant is that one does not keep the melody "the way the composer intended it," as to do so would be pointless. That is to say: most composers would say your assertion there is nonsense.

J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 12:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

ban geir

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

but Oasis used the stolen melodies in a real kind of interesting way by bolting them to a shoegaze / drone rock non dynamic tempered with the first wave of over compression made them more than whatever parts they were a sum of. maybe. i wrote a proper piece about this, but it's bad form to link yr own pieces on ilx isn't it. it's like oasis changed the form but not the content or something.

acrobat, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

i wrote a proper piece about this, but it's bad form to link yr own pieces on ilx isn't it

Let's hope no-one tries to do this on this thread

DJ Mencap, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

in all seriousness, ban geir

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wellllllll...

Oasis reduced the whole of the alternate/indie sector to "top ten hits, anything else isn't good enough" and all the inventive / quirky / etc bedrock disappeared.

Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

He's still only 34? Fuck me.

His age hasn't prevented him from still talking bollocks though, I notice.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

bang eir

Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://i10.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/a4/91/6908_1_b.JPG

Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

It is strange how disagreeing with the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks" can stir so much emotion.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks"

yr evidences, let me see them

Just got offed, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

but Oasis used the stolen melodies

Oasis didn't steal melodies. They pastiched styles. Which is a lot better and actually a sign of musical genius.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Do you like Neil Innes?

Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

[It is strange how disagreeing with the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks" can stir so much emotion.

-- Geir Hongro, Monday, September 24, 2007 2:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

no emotion here, chief.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost (or, actually, better response = )

Talent Borrows, Genius Steals.

Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hip-hop and house/electronica was about to destroy music, and Britpop was needed to re-estalish the tune ass all that mattered again.

http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/original/shock.jpg

tissp, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

I take in then Geir that you have no response to the use of themes by other composers in classical music

kinda figured as much

J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 13:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

i regret reviving this thread.

fucking geir.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

dude, such threads give oxygen to the fires of ignorance, bigotry and stupidity that ultimately consume all of geir's arguments, don't sweat it.

stevie, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

LOL, groundhog day.

Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 14:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

The point in case here is the reviewer should never have reviewed that album at all. If the reviewer dislikes then entire idea of a bunch of white guys with guitars making old-fashioned tuneful music influenced by 60s and 70s music, then let someone else review them instead, and let this guy stick to his hip-hip or house instead. Those of us you like tuneful music aren't interested in the opinions of those who don't.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

let this guy stick to his hip-hip

...hooray?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Geirhog Day

Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Because the world needs new songs. Not the same old songs, but new ones. In the same style, but with new melodies. After a while, you get sick of humming the old songs, and you need new songs to hum."

But why not new styles as well? What's the difference?

max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Nothing wrong with new styles as long as the contain hummable songs. The new styles of the past 20 have been too much about rhythm and repetition though, not enough about melody and harmony.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

Plus entirely new styles are not needed. One should rather mix the styles already existing, creating new conglomerations of already known stylistic elements.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

Eh? Don't you think your criteria for what makes a song enjoyable or worthwhile is bit limited, Mr Grongo?

max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's the only criteria that mattered until 1920 in classical music, and until the late 80s in popular music.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

That's nonsense. Classical composers were always experimenting with different orchestral arrangements, new instruments, etc...
And there's been experimentation with production techniques in pop since at least the late 60s.

max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 23:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

I was going to send this thread around to some friends b/c of the interesting review but then the thread got derailed. still derailed i see.

Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 00:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

That's nonsense. Classical composers were always experimenting with different orchestral arrangements, new instruments, etc...
And there's been experimentation with production techniques in pop since at least the late 60s.

But melodies were always an important part of 60s pop and 19 century classical music, even if there were other elements too the melody was always there at the bottom.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 09:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

geir do you like harry warren?

Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

i regret reviving this thread.

fucking geir.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, September 24, 2007 2:48 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Votes for imagebombing?

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

there should be a 'killfile last 100 posts' function

Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

ilm has been silent for 17 minutes, as the LBZC plots its next move

Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/PotKettle_small.jpg

roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

I couldn't find a .jpg of three pots and one kettle, sorry.

roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

TS mr idée fixe vs the holy trinity of lazy, adolescent snark.

(ha, xposts)

Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

That looks like a Yello video that never was.

NickB, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Personally I think their comeback album is indeed better than any of their two 90s albums. They have stripped away all of the "indie" elements and gone fully fledged hippie-pop with quite a hint of 70s softrock/pomp pop. Which fits them greatly.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

I like "Tattva."

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 02:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqncFetwku0

Yeah, they sucked

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm happy to say that KulaShaker never graced my stereo - I thought they were bollocks.

this DG guy OTM

DG, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mr Snrub OTM 2 posts ago

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:30 (nine years ago) Permalink


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