Caetano Veloso S and D

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Um, I know it's been a few years, but Daniel are you done with the mundane crap yet? I find your's and Mickey Black Eyes' comments about the Brasil and Japan parellels really interesting, and I think France could also be added to these comparisons.

(I think i may have just made some connections about one of the reasons I like foreign or really cheesy styles so much)

I second Sister Disco's sideline.

Anyway, yeah I just recently purchased Bicho and Joia, and I quite frankly cannot believe how great they are!!!!!

Joia in particular is a fascinating record; a cycle of miniatures which are all really affecting and impeccably arranged. I've always been a fan of Caetano but it may very well be my discovery of this record which catapulted him into genius status. He has an amazing ear for pure sound - knows the way fundamentally simple instrumentation can create perfectly rich sound worlds. He knows what he's doing.

Bicho is totally cool! It's Caetano going funk and it's extremely great! I saw him live last year and He performed "Gente" from Bicho! It was great; he fuckin' rules!

"Gente" is a GREAT song

Caetano Veloso - Livro, Domingo, Cores Nomes, Joia, Eu Nao Peco Desculpa
( I've already got a few self-titled ones and cinema trans)

I stand by my call
that livro is the ninth best
album ever made

I've also acquired Livro and Joia. The revival of this thread has been great as I have omitted to seek out Cores e Nomes, but shall rectify that asap. I agree with your call, A Nairn, about French music being added to the list. The chanson was the first sentimental music I ever admitted to liking and it works by dint of its being French.

It's funny to re-read Mickey's post on futurism above, after all this time. I wonder if his Blue Eyes had been blinded by Brasilia (Niemeyer and his sexy pavilion?). I'm not sure if the Japanese model quite applies to Brazil, but there is such freshness infused in the Brazilian aesthetic. Certainly not sure if the Thievery Corp is necessarily the answer to all our prayers.

It hasn't been dispatcehd yet though - is this a good place to start?

Anyway - HELP ME I CAN"T STOP LISTENING TO CAETANO VELOSO

I MUST KNOW IF ANYONE BOUGHT THE BOXSET ???

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"Canto do Povo de um Lugar" from Jóia just keeps being the best piece of music I've ever heard. The cover of "Help" on the same album and "Tudo tudo tudo" are also fairly spectacular. Probably the only musician I venerate (I usually find that practice fucking ridiculous).

Oh the last two tracks from Jóia are also brilliant. I really can't talk about Caetano enough.

"Ce" reminds me in spirit of Gainsbourg's "Melody Nelson" record. Same grotty guitars (albeit much better produced)and similar vocal stylings.

I love how Caetano's vocal gets thinner. There is real pathos in some of Ce, like minhas lágrimas, hearing the same man you've heard as a carefree youth all these years in his classic records starting to be somewhat damaged and aged.

Search for the three minutes of cutesy happiness that is Um Canto de Afoxé!

About Todo Caetano — I don't have the box set itself, but I've purchased some individual discs from it on Ebay. The mini-LP style repackaging is nice; some of the discs are remixed/remastered in a way that is usually quite sumptuous but tends to remove the bite from the drums (maybe a compression issue?), especially on the first (1967) and second (1969) eponymous albums. The '67 album also has a couple of tracks out of order.

I would search Muitos Carnivas (jolly & festive), Muito (quiet and pacifying) and of course the great Tropicalia: Panis et Circensis. The compilation I have is Antologia 67/03, which has a lot of great music and non-chronilogical sequencing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense; not a bad sampler, anyway.

Wow I didn't even know of the existence of Ce.

Man, I really kinda hate Ce now. But Caetano continues being the most important solo artist in my life. Listening to Cavaleiro a lot recently. Pop legend, knows so much (and shows it) about Brazilian music. Also is so conscious as he plays with the male/female role with Brazilian numbers.

His singing here blows me away:

New Caetano album basically like a more mellow cê, assume it's the same band, very similar sound.

Only a few tracks on it I really like, A Base De Guantanamo probably the highlight for me, really repetitive mantra like chorus.

Oh and it's called Zii e zie: transambas.

Bit more Brazilian sounding, less based on rock rhythms, but the same production and reliance on electric guitar + electric bass & drum kit.

New Caetano album basically like a more mellow cê, assume it's the same band, very similar sound.

that sounds amazing!

A friend played Bicho, Veloso's stab at a late seventies Boz Scaggs record, over and over after a few glasses of wine. Marvelous.

yeah owned 'Bicho' for about 10 years or more, never felt "Boz Scaggs" but whatevs

awesome record

Have missed him live a number of times in W. DC, but am planning on seeing him Saturday night. "zii e zie" which does use the same musicians as Ce is only being released in the US now.

Hardly anyone managed that in Portugal I think

ummmm, have you heard quarteto 1111's "ode to the beatles" ?!

(just kidding)

lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list

Araçá Azul -- wow! Talk about a record with a sound that doesn't match the cover art.

haha yeah

does anybody know what the lyrics are to "Gilberto Misterioso"?

when i sing it to myself i normally go

gil hing gil hee gil ha jeenyo

lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list

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i can't really remember how i came across them but yeah it was probably on one of many "worldwide psych" benders. "os monstros sagrados" is a great track!

Sol ré /// It's a play on musical notes (G is Sol, and Sol is also Sun in pt-br) and Ré (D and also backwards)
Sol-ol /// Just aliteration on Sun again here

Gil engendra /// You prob know this is Gilberto Gil, but the rest is just a ref to a poem from Sousandrade, a wacky/weird modern poet – engendra means engender, to produce, spawn something. So, Gil produces...
Em Gil rouxinol /// ... In(inside?) Gil nightingale
Gil engendra
Em Gil rouxinol

Great song. Reminds me of Red Crayola in a way, but Caetano goes all the way on these micro/minimal songs with full wordplay on other poetry/folksongs. Transa has something kinda similar to this as well.

you can also go deep here! http://lendocancao.blogspot.com/2019/09/gil-engendra-em-gil-rouxinol-gilberto.html

My cats went batshit for that song. Not a real rouxinol, guys!

right, okay, it's coming back to me (?)

i'm guessing gilberto gil must've been nicknamed "rouxinol" at some point

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ok blogspot post leads to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt1yv-c8a54

<3

Seeing video clips of his current US tour and wishing I had been back in town to have seen him last night in dc area gig at Strathmore. They’re now saying this is his last US tour. Oh well, at least I have seen him a few times before .

When I saw that he was touring, I was bummed that he wasn't coming to Chicago. Or maybe he is and I somehow missed it?

the show is great, saw him at BAM. HOWEVER!!! Historical revisionism now makes brazillians sing along to "You don't know me" but when he plays fucking Cajuina almost no one does!!! I mean, I love Transa – but people, for the love of god, there are other Caetano records lol.

i like both of those songs but it's much easier for me to sing the songs that are in a language i know how to speak ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

although i will cop to yogurting quite a bit to caetano's music, lol

I don’t think you missed a Chicago gig Josh, looks like it was just an east coast and west coast Veloso tour

budo jeru, I have no qualms with english-speaking fans - but BAM was packed with Brazilians tho!!! And my larger point is – Transa became in the last 25 years something of a OK Computer for regular listeners, and becomes really boring to see people hyping it to the extreme while completely disregarding the rest of a huge catalog. And Cajuína is a hit! From a even bigger successful record, Cinema Transcendental (a hit about suicide and the loss of a son, but still, such a pretty song)

(the listeners who disregard everything but Transa in the post above are again, BRA listeners. most US/Europe/Japan fans love Caetano all around mostly)

it's a pet peeve of mine, sorry. it happens with other artists as well – people who only love Tábua de Esmeralda but not all Jorge Ben, or people who love Racional Vol1 but don't listen to Tim Maia. It's similar to someone saying they love Dub but can't listen to Reggae - gtfo!!!

right. i mean, i have basically never heard anyone talk about Transa so i don't even know what it would be like to have your experience. i have heard Cinema Transcendental many times and, while i like it, respectfully i don't think it comes close to Transa. but that's a bit like saying this or that painting doesn't come close to the Sistine Chapel or something (sorry if i'm inadvertently adding to the hype)

haha no worries. I love Transa, it's one of a kind, but it's just 1 part of Caetano

Cinema Transcendental punches above the weight for me in several songs – Cajuina, the title track, Lua de São Jorge. I heard this songs in the radio, it's not that fair, I do love them a lot. It's a poppier/breezier side to Caetano for sure. I associate it with a general type of light MPB tracks for the early 80s that, in a larger sense, became what people associate with MPB as a 'genre' for a long time

btw, he was touring recently a show playing Transa in full again – so there's some hope he does that show here as well (but with a diff band – you almost need a hardcore/grind drummer for a track like Neolithic Man! true freak folk <3)