'keep it simple and give it to wayne/stevie' is still the default attitude, with only personnel changing.
English players are a certain type, fit a template, which very rarely changes once they sign their first professional contract, they don't ever seem to work on what doesn't come naturally to them imo.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
your collective footballing outlook is mistrust of systems and percentages, and funnels respect more towards the moment of inspiration/brilliance rising from the mire of incompetence.
Your fans complain when centre halves and deeplying midfielders play it amongst themselves
The consistency of performance/touch/whatever from even your top players is alarmingly below the top spanish, dutch, german etc players
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:29 (1 minute ago)
damn, thought you were going to finish with all of your friends are cunts, your mother is a ball-point pen thief
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
darragh so basically you are saying why bother attempt change?
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw i've been watching england under 18/21 teams for along time now, and i don't think they lack talent at that level.
It's what happens after that that seems to hold ye back at international level?
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol xpost
― boxall, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think it might be as simple as lack of resources. In Spain you have thousands of coaches all working to a plan that seems to have been developed over a couple of decades, in Germany the FA has big machinery behind it too. England has a fraction of the coaches, parents filling in the gaps, and so far as there is a plan it seems to be a handful of guys and/or incompetents either making things up (bad) or copying France or Spain or whoever's on top at the moment because that genuinely is the best possible option available.
As for developing a uniquely English style, everything I've read about Charles Reep makes going that way sound horrendous.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
jeez, massive xps, must type faster
Finishing is "technical" too, this U21 team looks good in most respects but not that one.
― boxall, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
fuck 'england' btw
there is no good 'england' and they will never be more than remedial cunts
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
nah i'm saying your managers pick a shower of bad attitude spoiled brat cunts to represent the country, and the attitude of that group sucks complete ass.
Pick the u21 team for the next international, add dawson and a few other players untarnished by association with terry et al, then discipline them.
What they're hearing about themselves at their clubs and from the media is affecting them more than it does other countries, or at least other countries that produce similar levels of young talent. Dunno what to do about it, i think trap's having to deal with the start of a similar issue over here with mass dropouts and what have you.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
you a Team GB man then? xpost
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
fuck the rest of them too
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
Team British Isles, guys, get this Icelandic crop of youngsters involved
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
fuck everyone who cares
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
oh no, turns out they're as rubbish as old Schteve
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
fuck ireland for being so much like england
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
xxp yeah, i dunno where the english finishers have gone since owen.
Defoe used to have it, iirc, no idea who since then, and he's near 30
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
i don't mind iceland though
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
Finishers aren't a thing anywhere anymore though
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
huh nakh's a provo now
Walker, mancienne, both centre halves, rose, both strikers all look good players in that first half
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
shane long's a finisher, in your face
Well sure attitude is a big fucked up chunk of the problem, like the lack of ability. But I was discussing TACTICS, fucker.
xpost
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Hernandez
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
i think franny jeffers killed the finisher in england
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
doesn't really matter how many reasonably good players are elsewhere if there is no midfield at all, as covered upthread
Tragic Football Stories - Let us Kick Around the misshapen Jabulani that is English football right here
wilshere, scholes, hoddle and that's p much it
fabrice muamba is not a midfielder
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
there's no point devising tactics for a shower with that attitude sam. Successive coaches since sven have discovered that.
Sven convinced this group that their personalities and desires mattered. Poison tbh.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
fucker
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
Higuain's the only finisher I can think of at the top level right now, and I'm probably doing him a disservice.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
And Pippo of course.
Hernandez. I'll just keep posting it
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
higuain can finish but that doesn't make him a 'finisher' since he has other competencies too
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
similarly klass jan huntelaar is 'a finisher' even if he scored 10 goals in the bundesliga
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, he's more than that though. I'm talking guys who contribute goals and that's it.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
hernandez is really
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
saviola with guts
Falcao
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I meant Hernandez is, not Huntelaar xp
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
The post that started this detour said they lack finishing (a skill) not "a finisher."
― boxall, Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
yah i read you the first time xp
hernandez is totes 'a finisher' imo
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
i like chichipoopoo but he is a lot closer to michael owen than say aguero or rossi
yeah
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
lols tylers commentary there, lamenting spain's refusal to play with epl strength and spirit and pace
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
crafty foreigners are passing it around england and won't stand toe to toe for a fair fight
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
it's similar to the vietcong
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
2108: Heart-in-mouth time for Danny Welbeck as he scythes down Javi Martinez with a lumbering challenge, minus the nasty intent, but referee Strombergsson decides there was no intent there from the Manchester United striker and ignores the silent Spanish pleas for a second yellow card. Good officiating.
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
was thinkin the big fella collins tbh
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
haven't heard henderson's name once, except for tyler enthusing about him for absolutely no reason when spain have it.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
2125: Shit-in-mouth time for Pranav Soneji as he scythes down the english language with a lumbering challenge, minus the nasty intent, but liveblog king Nult decides there was no intent there from the liveblogging trainee and ignores the world's silent pleas for a summary dismissal. Good officiating.
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
decent work
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
spanish centre soft
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link