6/7/2011, imma drop that body work / fuck my brains out double single (TERIUS NASH aka THE-DREAM, LOVE IV: anticipation and adoration)

u ever seen a dream video?

ha

well i'll be involuntarily singing "fuck my brains out" in inappropriate situations for the foreseeable future then

re: twitter - i saw optimum retweet him on monday, followed from there. for what it's worth.

i love 'body work'

Idg what contenderizer's issue w "fmbo" is - this is like textbook dreamisms

Fwiw I think body work is boring and if anyone else released it we'd be all "this sucks"

Fmbo is p dope though, although obv the-dream is an all time rmde when it comes to a personality

Body work just seems so stingey with the songwriting (although the-dream has been hit or miss w that for a minute) but typically he would make up for that w melodic generosity. "body work" has one barely-there melodic hook

I Don't Want any New Fans! Cheers LOVECULT

his last few single choices explained

Ha. It kind of explains the entire arc of his career

i'm kidding it's a total cliche sour grapes thing to say once your career has clearly peaked

fmbo is kind of an unfortunately shitty gimmick chorus but overall i'm cool with both of these - better than the majority of love king in my esteemed opinion

this whole "i don't know if i'm gonna be with u" transition is just killing me, welcome back dreamer

I've felt a little less engaged with each album, but I'm really felling this new suite instantly.

Huh idk why it's not hitting me at all like that

Body-Work sounds better with each listen for me but it's definitely just the prelude groove to "FMBO" for me

For me, I mean

i know what you mean abt body work being sparse melodically (for the-dream) but i kind of love how it grinds away

FMBO is great. Totally reprehensible, but just so damn great.

'She know I'm a Virgo and I'm impossible to please."

I don't think fmbo is reprehensible on it's own, it just makes the dream come off poorly as a human being. Song itself doesn't strike me as partic objectionable nb I may not have given the lyrics a complete close reading

His king-dick fantasies are a hell of a lot more imaginative and memorable than most

I mean, his sex is so good that his ex- who is leaving him for cheating is demanding a last round of amazing sex, etc. etc. etc.

For whatever reason, Make-Up Bag was light enough that it felt like a humourous toss-off and I didn't find it as skeezy as some dudes did, but this is just undeniably shitty behaviour. But it's a killer song, so, you know.

I don't think anyone has brought up the coda yet, but it's gorgeous. "I'll always miss THAT KISS / A lover's delight" all multitracked harmonies. It's really gentle and pretty.

oh noes, no strings sex! odious! reprehensible! literally have no idea what u prudes are moaning about

in particular the notion that this song makes him come off poorer "as a human being" than the trite plodding idiocy of 'make up bag' or god idk a hundred other little things over the years is just laughable

lol

Lol

I think it's fair to say this has a pretty high narcissism factor relative to his other stuff. But yah idg what is objectionable about it

maybe there should be a "but i denied her/mind-blowing sex/i denied her/out of respect" coda

rtc otm -- not even nearly as odious as "I luv your girl"

let's check the odi-ometer

I think theres def an increased level of egotism relative to "i luv your girl" but maybe it's that the music is a lot less coy

oh jeez. i have no issues with no string sex. seriously.

what's gross about FMBO is how after a highly public break up he's written a song about how no matter how much of a jerk is, his ex-girlfriend is in thrall to his awesome magical penis. i mean, it's a good song, but it's still all sorts of gross.

and yes, he's done angry/bitter/vaguely misogynist breakup songs before i.e. nikki, abyss, whatever, but in all those cases there was the vague rationalization of he's angry and was cheated on and there's a source of the gross bitterness.

but if you don't find something kind of distasteful about a guy bragging about how desperate his ex-wife was for his dick even after he cheated on her immediately after they had a kid, etc. etc. then i can't explain it.

but it's not an objectionable song. so i don't know why i'm arguing this.

it would be nice if when terius was listening to prince as i assume hes doing 24/7 he took notes on how to be a freak without being a pig

has he rhymed milian with "vill-i-an" yet

it would be nice if when terius was listening to prince as i assume hes doing 24/7 he took notes on how to be a freak without being a pig

― ☂ (max), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:54 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

Right, this. Thank you, max, for being more succinct and articulate than me.

lol alex when u first heard 'living a lie' did u also shed a little tear imagining what nivea would think when she found out about terius and rihanna's shock affair

not every song in the world is directly autobiographical

that's clearly what he's suggesting by saying a song about your ex tearfully begging you for mindblowing sex is kinda distasteful coming from a recently divorced dude

like, I dig this song but I don't feel the pretend those who think its piggish are being absurd.

the need to pretend, i mean

yeah but my point is the "recently divorced" alarm is just being activated arbitrarily here, like is there some milian-specific detail i'm missing in this?

and alex even if you wanna go there how does "i don't need another bitch to lie to me" not fit in with your vague bitter rationalization etc anyway?

max otm

but i think ppl kinda demand piggishness in their modern R&B

or at least artists think we do

my other point is how is it any more "piggish" than he's ever been since the very beginning once you take a couple of raunchy couplets out of the equation, this is just beyond superficial stuff

Jeez. Ok. I concede, I was wrong and I shouldn't have read it in. I'd probably find it vaguely distasteful context-regardless, and on reflection I probably find Abyss even less pleasant. None of this means that I don't enjoy them as songs, and I have no desire to be the voice of ridiculous moral outrage or whatever.

It was a vague impression and I stupidly decided to defend my rxn when the idea that the story as written/sung/narrated has weird gender overtones was declared to be prudish and laughable, etc. But yeah, it's not 'reprehensible', I should have picked my words more carefully. Thread can continue along normal course now, sorry for the interruption.

i think you can be kinda bummed/grossed out in his transformation from chubby, unlikely loverman to sweaty las vegas sleazeball without it being moral outrage

actually, listening to FMBO, i dont really see how this is all that piggish, allowing for some stupid/juvenille boasts, though i expect those kinds of lyrics from the dream - i mean, isnt this what he does most consistently? its not as vulgarly/crudely personal as say, r kelly might do. if i didnt know about his public breakup, and tbh i barely do - he/this doesnt have as much celeb appeal as say if the song was sung by chris brown a few years back - i dont think i would read it that way.

or it could just be that i really like both songs so dont care

fwiw i had a kid right around the same time as Nash/Milian and my general mindstate then of "how the fuck do you even think of creeping or walking out on somebody at that moment in your life" was the main source of my take on "Make Up Bag" and as the instigator of that whole line of conversation i will say nothing about these new songs strikes me as beyond his usual relatively inoffensive skeeviness.

xxxp Last word on this.

There's pretty much nothing on Love/Hate that's has the same sort of tone. "I Luv Your Girl" got cited a couple of times, and while picking up someone else's girlfriend isn't like...gentlemanly...or whatever, but what was triggering my sensor or whatever only really surfaces in Nikki, Love vs Money Part 2, Nikki Part 2 and Abyss. Oh, and Hater.

I'm not saying women aren't objectified in his other songs, but normally they're being wooed or he's having sex with them, or being admired, or whatever. They're either sex objects or objects of affection. Just....when he gets angry/dismissive/vitriolic about women it feels uglier somehow.

But again, FMBO does this less than the others, maybe, and I really like all of the above songs (except for Hater). It was an observation about tone and content, not quality, because I like FMBO better than most of Love King.

from chubby, unlikely loverman to sweaty las vegas sleazeball

good career summary

personally i just find laziness and carelessness way uglier than angry/dismissive/vitriolic at the end of the day

if he's a pig here then he's a sprightly attentive one for a change and not the useless fat fuck of 'make up bag' and 'panties to the side' or the guy who trashed 'february love' by breaking off for a hatercentric tirade about his taxes and owning his publishing or w/e