**the-dream terry nash love king the-poll**

One of those records I enjoy much more when I'm listening to than when I'm think about it; it just doesn't linger in the head like the first two. It's great for what it is, but I do hope he challenges himself or shakes things up a bit on the next one (which, as I recall, drops in four days, right?)

oh, The Love Intravenous isn't dropping anytime soon

for someone who likes this guy a lot it's pretty shameful i haven't heard 13-17

i only really feel like returning to FILA or Turnt Out tho tbh. i still think this album is a step down from the other two.

lol actually reading the thread helps too since everyone is saying that now

this is definitely a rare album where the bonus tracks are not only worth hearing but make the album as a whole better

i still don't think it's a major step down

oh my god if there was a new dream album in 4 days...

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/02/15/the-dream-calls-on-famous-friends-for-the-love-iv-album/

august?

i still don't think it's a major step down

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Friday, 3 June 2011 20:48 (21 minutes ago) Permalink

agreed. i do think old heads started to get tired of his schtick, to a degree

i don't think it's necessarily like a big lapse of quality or craft, but the number of genuinely memorable/addictive songs is imo a big falloff from the first two albums

that's the sense in which i don't think it's a fall-off - like i can hear how the songwriting perhaps isn't as on point as on the first two (it's really more about the production imo) but despite that there are only a few songs that aren't memorable/addictive to me

i don't think it's necessarily like a big lapse of quality or craft, but the number of genuinely memorable/addictive songs is imo a big falloff from the first two albums

― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Friday, 3 June 2011 21:14 (19 minutes ago) Permalink

theres about as many that i skip as on #2

agreed that the lack of focus on songwriting was there, but that started w/ stuff like 'rocking that shit' on #2 (which btw i love)

It was a minor step down from the first two imo.

TURNT OUT

"Turnt Out" has his prettiest singing.

went with SI remix, though it could just as easily have been FILA, abyss, turnt out or veteran. shit, or yamaha even. great album. i joined late, so i don't have to notice any drop-off.

have found, sadly, that love king is not what u wanna spring on people who claim to hate modern R&B, in the hope of changing minds. it tends only to harden the heart.

Veteran narrowly over Yamaha narrowly over FILA narrowly over FU v. Turnt Out

Love this quote from an article linked to from the article linked above.

Terius, on what the new material he's producing for Bieber will sound like: "“Somewhere between like Fergie and Jesus, somewhere in between there. If I can get away with edgy, I would love it.”

f.i.l.a. vs. nikki pt. 2 vs. yamaha

xxxp: Yeah, Terius is definitely all about using r&b tropes to do something interesting, rather than shunning said tropes, so anyone suspicious of those tropes will probably react against him.

haha just noticed "the-poll"

**the-asterisks render the-thread unsearchable, though**

Dude to me last night: "I know what you're getting at with that kinda R&B, but for the intensity of its darkness and atmosphere I still prefer The Weeknd."

The-Weaknd

FILA would be my second choice, only bcuz it's hard for me to separate that middle suite

Dude to me last night: "I know what you're getting at with that kinda R&B, but for the intensity of its darkness and atmosphere I still prefer The Weeknd."

what he means is he would prefer a PUNCH IN THE FACE

i still don't get the love for "turnt out" but then i'm just not a fan of terius' falsetto

i just think it's a great song, the falsetto is almost irrelevant

if "yamaha" wasn't in the running for best-song-ever and kind of a boring choice but still the right one here, i would vote either "sex intelligent" or "florida university"

it's entirely sung in falsetto, how could that possibly be irrelevant?!

if "yamaha" wasn't in the running for best-song-ever and kind of a boring choice but still the right one here, i would vote either "sex intelligent" or "florida university" "abyss" or "f.i.l.a"

xp well i like that in the context of the album that "turn out" feels really frivolous -- i don't think that if terius sung it in his 'normal' voice that it would feel any less so -- i understand how his falsetto might put someone off but as someone who likes the song, it's also irrelevant in the sense that my enjoyment would not be affected by a change in his voice

How is everyone ignoring the majesty that is Veteran? It's like the best R. Kelly song Terius has ever written. Double good once Kells jumps on the remix.

really i think there's an argument for "sex intelligent (remix)" and "nikki part 2" really encapsulating why i love this album - they're certainly not good songcraft in the traditional sense and they don't even make all that much sense if you isolate them, so i guess you could say they're evidence of LK's weakness, but the gaseous production and the way the lyrics take in all of terius' most dreamish characteristics make them totally essential to the album

I like "Yamaha" but have never gotten the cult of it.

make up bag

but yeah actually turnt out

I like "Yamaha" but have never gotten the cult of it.

― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Saturday, June 4, 2011 3:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Like...I totally understand the "Fancy" cult!

i never really listen to this all the way through because of the abyss/panties to the side roadblock :/

"Abyss" is so fucking awesome. Like 50 "Nikki"s at once.

"abyss" is really self-conscious about how it goes for the ~epic~ feel but succeeds despite that - i think that's the reason it's not the absolute top tier of this album though

am i the only person who absolutely adores "florida university"?

the block i usually skip is panties to the side/turnt out/february love (latter two not actively bad but i don't really NEED to listen to them ever)

I don't like Yamaha at all, I don't want to hear him doing songs like that really, it's not why I listen to The Dream. I genuinely skip Yamaha if it ever comes on during shuffle or whatever, I actively dislike it. Anyone feel me on this??? (Didn't think so)

I think Make Up Bag might be my favourite track on this...I love the Sex Intelligents and All Black Everything too. I fucking love this album though generally, two or three duds but easily my most listened to record.

I voted for "Sex Intelligent (Remix)" to avoid a possible "Yamaha" sweep.

Also: LVM represents more a triumph of production than this one.

that's because LVM had 2 expert producers on every track and Love King mostly has Nash doing his best impression of them

TURNT OUT

― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 4, 2011 12:56 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nu isleys kinda jam

I genuinely skip Yamaha if it ever comes on during shuffle or whatever, I actively dislike it. Anyone feel me on this??? (Didn't think so)

I'm not that much of a contrarian but I always want to press skip after about a minute of yamaha

that's because LVM had 2 expert producers on every track and Love King mostly has Nash doing his best impression of them

and compensating with improved songwriting imo

Great result

id switch abyss w/ veteran & can abide w/ fila-yamaha 1-2

very close to how i'd break things down. not so big on "yamaha" as most, but i get why ppl like it.

didnt realize 'fila' was so huge

Have you heard it?

it's def in my top 3 and i might've come closer to voting for it if t.i. was on the album version, but anything besides "yamaha" winning reeks of contraristanning imo

lol nope never heard it

See, that's crazy to me cos while i love Yamaha, i just don't appreciate it on the gut level that i do FILA. I can admire Yamaha from a distance but FILA just hits my pleasure centres every time. xpost

huh im the opposite w/ those two

the-dream is v v good at hitting those pleasure centers tho for sure

i love "f.i.l.a." but would never have picked it as the most likely to upset "yamaha"!

find it fairly amusing f.i.l.a. wins when make up bag was deeemed somehow offensive or "odious" by a few people. pretty sure "quiet woman i bought you a make up bag", as offensive as that may be pales in significance to pretty much the entire f.i.l.a. lyric. dumb and all as opening that can of worms is anyway.

i find it funny that any of terius' songs are being judged on offensiveness at all, the man has always been a cad

yeah exactly. i hardly think "oh look at his horrible habit of buying 5k make up bags to stop his gf suspecting he has cheated" is the sudden appearance of a monster we never knew.

his caddish tendencies are always balanced out by his inadequacies in any case. "make up bag" is a massive faux pas, and indicative of a man with no clue about how relationships work, which is why it's funny i guess? but it's not that great a song, relative to the rest imo.

I love the-dream in lovestruck mode, but find his "how to be a playa" tunes mostly off-putting. "offensive" may be the wrong word.

i was WAY more off-put by almost all of Usher's Confessions. it's almost as if he set the groundwork for Chris Brown years later -- "here's how to spin something hurtful you did to someone else and make it all about you!"

(but I still like the album)

is terius ever really lovestruck? more often luststruck, surely, and that fits pretty naturally with the "how to be a playa" side of things

i mean, how often does he actually get starry-eyed about a girl's personality as opposed to her titties like woo-oo-oo, her booty like woo-oo-oo.

yeah exactly. i hardly think "oh look at his horrible habit of buying 5k make up bags to stop his gf suspecting he has cheated" is the sudden appearance of a monster we never knew.

― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:33 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

that's a pretty loose characterization of what i said about the song and fwiw FILA was never a single so i never really heard it enough to pay attention to the whole lyric and catch the cheating angle of it.

well in the lyrics to "make up bag" there isn't even necessarily a cheating angle. he denies cheating and it's arguably just as much about him being out partying and his wife thinking he has cheated, which obv like in the context of every other song is prob not unreasonable.

i mean yes telling the guys "oh just buy her something" is pretty lame but i've bought presents for gf when i fucked up before, it's not monstrous patriarchy or something. obv if it's a case of "oh there goes another 5k for a makeup bag" that's a bit different but i just think "odious" is a bit strong.

the utterly triumphant "SO SHE LET ME DO HERRR" in fila seems fairly obviously more offputting to me, if i thought about it, but i don't really seek people i morally agree with in music.

luststruck then, and I think there's a big difference in feel between those tunes and the tunes where he's just focused on how great he is.

the utterly triumphant "SO SHE LET ME DO HERRR"

no this is hilarious c'mon

the-dream lines like that are so close to the lonely island's "i just had sex"

Basically anything where the-dream sounds like a kid opening Christmas presents is good IMO.

lol

yeah it is pretty funny. i said if i thought about it or decided to try and find things i was put off by. i find the "make up bag" funny too though, like he's imparting this sage advice to all the men, "i'm such a genius no girl has ever realised my amazing ploy."

*the "make up bag" lyrics

yeah i feel you -- i already explained itt and in another one why "make up bag" touched a nerve with me personally and i'm not really telling anyone else what to think about it

have this same conflict re Make Up Bag in particular - love the sound, hate the sentiment (don't give a fuck about its technical quality as a song), will always delight and frustrate in equal measure. same goes for the title track (dope piano chords and self harmonies, awful shit like "sorry ladies but there ain't nothing like a smart bitch"). but it's 'in character' etc. and maybe prince wrote something just as bad one time and i've just not noticed.

could care less about the sentiment and just think it sounds like ass

^new board description

didn't we already use that one

The panning drums on the title track are really doing it for me today. Still his third-best album but I feel like since it came out I've forgotten how enjoyable minor Terius is.

insane that 'sorry' got zero votes

also dream is the only artist to constantly get away with using the millennial whoop

TURNT OUT

― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:56 AM (eleven years ago)

Probably the album I've played the most since it dropped.