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In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.I guess my point was, that at this point in history, hip hop (and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music) has spread so rapidly across the globe (and esp. across the USA) that it no longer can mean anything closely related to what it was. When it became the best-selling genre of music in the USA, who cares who appropriates some weird trope of it, from Hanson (yeah, "Mmmmbop" had scratches) or nu-metal "rapping?"
When Mr. P. Diddy can sell clothing in shopping malls in Iowa, who cares about some washed-up rocker using breakdancers in a video twenty years ago? Hip hop culture isn't in opposition to American culture at large, it is American culture.
And the comment about the Bronx and Brooklyn was more wishful thinking than anything, since those were the places where hip hop originated and flowered.
― hstencil, Saturday, 14 September 2002 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
"(and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music)"
How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 15 September 2002 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Gareth re. the trance comment - generally trance acts on TOTP have pretty drab visuals and usually are a bit forgettable, in this case a) the trance guy was pretty good, b) everything else was awful.
― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 15 September 2002 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?Are you born "hip-hop" as opposed to being born, say, Serbian?
― hstencil, Sunday, 15 September 2002 21:32 (twenty-one years ago) link