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Five?

Not counting the US and UK versions of the first album seperately and not counting that thing with the frog on it that came with Faith (erm, Carnage Visor?), I would say there are only four cure albums in there (ie not The Top). I just checked on Allmusic and its definately four. One of the reviews mentions 'angular' so its defintely post- punk.

Later period Cure there may be a debate but surely only the most churlishly would deny the impact and power of those four?

Alexander Blair, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

_Three Imaginary Boys_/_Boys Don't Cry_
_Seventeen Seconds_
_Faith_
_Pornography_
_Japanese Whispers_

Last one may be debatable, but the seeds are there.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What Dan said (grr, another Cure debate to come in too late on -- and I would count "Carnage Visors," but I would).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
I'm reviving this because "Olio" is just fantastic.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Rapture are kinda like Interpol for me in the sense that, well, yeah some of these songs are really nice, but only because they remind me so much of other songs by earlier bands that I like even more. Which is a slight blessing but moreso a brick wall than anything else. :-/

The Rat-Pure on the other hand are fucking amazing. Ditto to what everyone above has said about them.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm anxious to hear the album, which apparently does not have "House of Jealous Lovers" on it. (way to keep that mystique going, guys!)

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm a little lost on the appeal of "House of Jealous Lovers". I'm trying to find "Olio" now...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Olio" is way better than "House of Jealous Lovers", particularly the acid-inflected dance version.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

which apparently does not have "House of Jealous Lovers" on it.

if this is true their label can go fuck themselves

I do think however that it is being included on a DFA compilation.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan Perry in a likes-the-Cure-soundalike better shockah!

ESOJ, I gathered that the album is closer to "Olio" in nature so they decided not to disrupt its sound. I do hope there's a comp soon, though.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw the Rapture last week & once again they've seemed to make another quantum leap from the previous time I saw them (which would be a mere five months ago, in this case). There seems to be plenty more where the Olio remix and House of Jealous Lovers came from, so here's hoping that the album does indeed come out in April, as has been reported. If you can listen to the last two singles and pinpoint exactly where they're ripping all of their ideas from, then I suppose you can do the same thing for "Screamadelica" (I'll spot you George Michael for free). If you need "Jealous Lovers" on CD and can't wait for the DFA 12" comp, there's a promo CD version (same tracks) that the band's been flogging. Happy hunting...

R. Lim, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Isn't Olio over four years old now?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

RATPURE!

dave q, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah I thought the story was that the Ratpure were languishing on SubPop and DFA saved them and produced the HOJL 12", which is why Olio sounds nothing like how they sound now. Or something.

So anyone ever heard the pre-Rapture project the Calculators?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

HAVE YOU, Aaron W?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want a copy (CDR even!) of the Insound tour support CD. Anyone want to make a trade for something?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe, Andy K!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, "Olio" was first on Mirror, and that version is better than the 12"... the love here confuses me, unless yalls talking about the original version.

I have not heard the Calculators, but I'm guessing it's not too great, since Mirror, by and large, blows. But spill it, Aaron!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you check the Rapture site on dfarecords.com, you'll see the old news update from August 2002 that says that both "House of Jealous Lovers" and "Olio" will be on the full length when it comes out.. so's you know...

tinobeat (tinobeat), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Both the original and the remix are great, Yanc3y.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Re: Calculators. No they're good... in my past life when I ran a label I put out a 10" by them. Sounded a bit like the Faint in a good sort of way. Anyway, drummer split to join keyboardist/guitarist (who had already quit the Calculators by the time I put out the 10") to form the Ratpure. I think there were like 300-400 of those 10"s sold... I have three left.

I like the Morgan Geist remix of HOJL the best (does anyone else???).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Morgan Geist remix of HOJL the best (does anyone else???).

Maybe, Aaron W!

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

to quote a great (fictional) T shirt I saw in Chunklet fanzine: "Gang of 4 Is Not A Genre, A$$holes!"

roger adultery, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ratpure are touring in the next couple months! Yay.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 7 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Gang of 4 Is Not A Genre, A$$holes!"

ehheh genius!
rapture however r dud

schnell schnell, Friday, 7 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

they stayed at my house once, but weren't very nice.

john fail (cenotaph), Friday, 7 March 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Ratpure are touring in the next couple months! Yay.

That time is now. revive? reviews?

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

god the new album is so good

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

they were excellent (tight, fun, funny) live and seem like nice guys, too. we all went to the same post-show bar and my friend gave the singer an aaliyah pin (how cute). the final encore was louie louie which was fitting as they came across as a total party band...there are some nice surprises in their set that i don't want to spoil...i'm definitely looking forward to the album now.

disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

judging by the show i bet jess is OTM.

disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

it's not quite the disco/nu-wave album we (?) had all hoped for - a bit of the old skronk, check the "careering" vocal grab on the title track fer instance - but "i need your love" and the re-recorded "olio" and the last-few songs are total mope-pop-disco genius. also, it DOES have "hojl".

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

Grrrrr I want it I want it I want it!


I Need Your Love was on a Jockey Slut free CD, it is fucking great. They are playing here in July.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

I just "got" them the other day. I now want said album. It must be great.

Re:The Ratpure. gaz started a thread about this the other day. But I'm not going to tell you how to find it.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

The Rapture recordings I've heard have been pretty lackluster (I haven't heard much, though). I did see them back in December at the Bowery and really enjoyed the show. Of course they followed the completely obnoxious LCD Soundsystem (i think that's the name), so they may have benefitted from the "concurrence to shit" correlation.

Will (will), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure it's not as much fun as starring in Old School, Will, but both the Rapture and LCD Soundsystem are great...

(and my feelings on the rapture album are well documented)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

the new litmus test for all music = is it better than starring in Old School?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

Holy shit music sucks!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

hey, I'm always willing to give a band another listen. They just rubbed me the wrong way that night. And easy on the name, I've been WF since 1976 (and Pops before that). Damn you Roxbury Bros.!!

Will (will), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Gotcha, Will. Sorry about the name. It's just that J1mmy Fall0n trashed this place a few months ago.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

i love the album so much.

u+k - has anyone got the cat's cradle show from a couple of months ago that's floating around on slsk?? the few tracks i've managed to grab are fantastic...

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

there's a feature on the Rapture in this weeks SF Bay Area Guardian (along an article on Richard Thompson, the British folk scene, and that Texas funk comp.... good week)

they're playing next Tuesday the 13th at American Music Hall. i can't wait

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:34 (twenty years ago) link

Of course they had to come to my town the week before finals. Fuck!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 9 May 2003 07:08 (twenty years ago) link

I'm digging on Echoes.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

Me too! I've been even downloading it with a crap snail dial up connection.

So far I have "I need your love", "heaven", "olio" and "hojl", and almost have "open up your heart".


I didn't expect it to be quite so rocky. Still loving it though. Are there other electronic songs besides Olio and I Need Your Love.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the tracklisting with me. Damn it. I love the one with the cowbell solo in the middle. Brilliant.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! i'm just having my first listen Echoes right now, i'm a sucker for the Gang Of Four/PIL thing, i like it when the singers voice does the crossing betwien Tom Velrain and John Lydon.

rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:34 (twenty years ago) link

when I first heard "House of..." I was annoyed. Im totalling loving it now though. I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:38 (twenty years ago) link

I feel like I'm very late to the party, but this new ILK is pleasing me very much and I am hoping it is because it is the right direction for music to go in and not just because I have a developed a nostalgic fondness for the very early 80s music this resembles. Not nostalgia for being there, nostalgia for just not being there (I mean I was listening to music then but I was under 10 so it wasn't in the same way as being a teenager).

Anyway yeah - I saw the Ratpure at Optimo a few weeks ago and it was a blast, and I love the LCD soundsystem mix of Le Tigre that RJG put on a tape for me, and some of the Radio 4 I heard was good. It's all just so invigorating.

Does this ILK have name or not?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:50 (twenty years ago) link

do you mean ilk without capital letters?


It's being called "punk-funk" as far as I can see. I like the Le Tigre remix too. I think you're still early enough to the party in some sense N, if the Rapture are to get as big as I reckon they will.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:52 (twenty years ago) link

Punk-funk is fair enough. Yes - ILK=ilk. I just liked the look of it in caps.

What other tracks should I look out for?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

"It Takes Time To Be a Man" went right by me when I listened to this before but it's kinda great?

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that song is amazing

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

someone put it on a mix and I was like this is good, who is this, some neo-soul white guy? Mayer Hawthorne? oh shit it's the Rapture

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

i only have 4 songs off the new album (sail away, title track, how deep, it takes time) but they are all excellent.

mizzell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

they were good live when i saw them a month ago too

mizzell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

I will never not be laughing @ "The Ratpure"

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

I made sure to find this thread specifically to bump

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP bros, good times.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 9 March 2014 02:31 (ten years ago) link

did see them back in December at the Bowery and really enjoyed the show. Of course they followed the completely obnoxious LCD Soundsystem

ha i was a gd idiot 10 years ago. that was a good show but LCD is way better than these dudes

condo associations are people my friend (will), Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:49 (ten years ago) link

also maybe my first ilx post. wtf am i doing w/ my life

condo associations are people my friend (will), Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

^^^really good read imho

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link

Isolating highly pure rat spermatogonial stem cells in culture.
Hamra FK1, Chapman KM, Wu Z, Garbers DL.
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Abstract
Methods are detailed for isolating highly pure populations of spermatogonial stem cells from primary cultures of testis cells prepared from 22- to 24-day-old rats. The procedure is based on the principle that testicular somatic cells bind tightly to plastic and collagen matrices when cultured in serum-containing medium, whereas spermatogonia and spermatocytes do not bind to plastic or collagen when cultured in serum-containing medium. The collagen-non-binding testis cells obtained using these procedures are thus approx. 97% pure spermatogenic cells. Stem spermatogonia are then easily isolated from the purified spermatogenic population during a short incubation step in culture on laminin matrix. The spermatogenic cells that bind to laminin are more than 90% undifferentiated, type A spermatogonia and are greatly enriched in genetically modifiable stem cells that can develop into functional spermatozoa. This method does not require flow cytometry and can also be applied to obtain enriched cultures of mouse spermatogonial stem cells. The isolated spermatogonia provide a highly potent and effective source of stem cells that have been used to initiate in vitro and in vivo culture studies on spermatogenesis.

sarahell, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

http://www.self-titledmag.com/2018/10/03/luke-jenner-interview-the-rapture-meditation-tunnel🕸/


That wás a really good read, thanks for the link!

willem, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link

Brilliant read, thx. Never cared that much about Rapture but the codependency childhood story really resonates. Glad to see he made it to the other side

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link

yeah same. loved some of their singles but not really a fan of the albums. that was an awesome interview though. cool to see a musician so into being a Dad. also the stuff re: James Murphy matches up with what I've heard about him.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link

That's a pretty amazing interview.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link

Cool to hear that these guys have reunited since that interview. Pretty much with frogbs that their best moments are excellent, even if the albums are patchy

Vinnie, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link

saw them last night. still one of the best live bands I've ever seen. Like most bands, they should never play a space larger than where I saw them last night. They were amazing, the crowd lost their shit, the various phases/sounds they've played with blended great, and even stuff that I like the least on the albums sounded totally killer live and loud. Amazing energy, great show.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link

can't believe I haven't posted on this thread before?

dan selzer, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I WAS THERE!

21 years ago at the SFSU Caesar Chavez Student Center next to the dorms, opening with this GO4 cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf8trAog_5Q

might be one of their first shows after the Gravity single?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 October 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

the Ratpure at Caesar Chavez Student Center -- or the Rapture at Cesar Chavez Student Center?

I was in grad school there at the time, did not see this.

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link

Do not fret, there were not many people there, perhaps one other ilx0r besides myself.

8/4/99 The Dialectic, Casiotone For The Painfully Alone, Subtonix, The Rapture

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link

lol some of my friends were in Subtonix (didn't know them at the time tho)

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:39 (three years ago) link

Sutbonix

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Sunday, 18 October 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link


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