Synth recordings in "rock" music from the 60s

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USA did not use a Moog. Robert Moog didn't present his synthesizer until 1965 and while it was commercially available the following year, it was prohibitively expensive so that only a few institutions and commercially viable artists were able to use them until the price dropped somewhat in following years. (The book Analog Days published by Harvard UP covers all of this in detail and is a completely riveting read.)

Rather, USA used ring modulators and oscilators; the latter are the primary signal generator in synthesizers and were readily available. They supposedly had a primitive synthesizer built for them by Richard(?) Durrett. I have never seen much info on the Durrett though.

Stockhausen (at least his classic 50s and 60s recordings) used oscilators as a sound source that he recorded to tape and then manipulated by editing, pitching up and down and layering.

William Selman (William Selman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

she was one of the smartest things about USA

I think this is true also. The vocals for example on "Love Song for the Dead Che" are really lovely. This is helped by the fact though that lyrics are for the most part the only passable ones on the record...

William Selman (William Selman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

an oscilator, played melodically, is a synthesizer.

I'm not understanding the emphasis on "melodically."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

much of the "Satanic Majesties Request" album involves synthesizers. mick jagger even did a terrible synth score to a kenneth anger film, available at http://www.ubu.com/sound/jagger.html

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 20 February 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

IIRC, the ooky sounds on Their Satanic are mellotron but Jagger did in fact buy a Moog in '68, apparently with an eye towards possibly making it *his* instrumental contribution to the Stones.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not understanding the emphasis on "melodically."

I guess that is why you define the electronic tools USA used as synthesizers then.

The Moog was the first ever synthetic instrument that was able to play melodies.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, did you even try to look at Pashmina's links about the Novochord?

Never mind the fact that the RCA could damned well play melodies too, if you're gonna go with that really rather partial definition.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

even the telharmonium had a keyboard, functional 1906

geir doesn't really read

miltonloggedout, Monday, 20 February 2006 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

hey wow thanks for linking those RCA mp3's

miltonloggedout, Monday, 20 February 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha, I think I know why you ask.

-- Michael Daddino, February 19th, 2006.

And indeed, you'd be right. :) Thanks for the info; at the very least I owe you a drink in Seattle if you'll be up there for the EMP.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 20 February 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Jefferson Airplane used a moog on After Bathing at Baxters, about the same time as the Monkees (probably the same one, since both were recorded at RCA in LA)

moriarty (moriarty), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I only defined it as melodically because you were implying that the way Silver Apples, 50 Foot Hose, USA etc used electronics was not technically the use of a synthesizer. So what is a synthesizer? 2 oscillators with no filter and no amp control is still additive synthesis.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 February 2006 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"IIRC, the ooky sounds on Their Satanic are mellotron but Jagger did in fact buy a Moog in '68"s

Definitely sounds like Moog at the end of "Sing This All Together (See What Happens)" (actually sequenced as the beginning of "She's a Rainbow" on the CD). Someone mentioned "2,000 Light Years from Home" upthread, too - main keyboard part is Mellotron, but there's Moog in the instrumental section.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 20 February 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

someone beat me to the synth punch...( Well my area of synth-questions range from 1970's-1990's anyway )

Weren't snthesizers big old room sized thingies back in the 1960's

startrekman, Monday, 20 February 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Which Baxter's tracks used synth, Moriarty?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 20 February 2006 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I only defined it as melodically because you were implying that the way Silver Apples, 50 Foot Hose, USA etc used electronics was not technically the use of a synthesizer. So what is a synthesizer? 2 oscillators with no filter and no amp control is still additive synthesis.

??? I thought you said above "a synthesizer is is an oscillator", oscillator being singular rather than plural. I'm also not sure the above clarifies anything regarding your use of "melodically" to define a synthesizer, as opposed to, say, rhythmically. And uh I said USA used a Durrett.

Shamefully, I've never listened to a whole Jefferson Airplane record, but based on an admittedly sketchy listening of the After Bathing at Baxter's (via er iTunes snippets) I hear maybe a clavinet on "Two Heads" and possibly "A Small Package" unless that's a real harpsichord.

After doing some Slsk research I also hear possible Moog action on "2,000 Light Years from Home" and would love to get some independent confirmation via liner notes or what have you.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm just taking the question as the use of electronic sound generating devices in rock music in the 60s. I don't see a big difference between how the silver apples used oscillators in their music and how the byrds used a moog.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Tangenting a bit: you've heard the Byrds' not-released-in-its-time "Moog Raga," right? The synth sounds are less texture-y and more "shaped" than on The Notorious Byrd Brothers.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

A more complete tangent: I remember reading a stray reference a few years ago to a mid-sixties band called Dirty Filthy Mud who supposedly used electronics in their psyche attack. Anybody know anything about them?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Moog Raga is on the CD to Notorious Byrd Brothers...love it.

also not sure where Mother Mallard fits in, later? But always mentioned in this context, perhaps as much because they were a rock band who came out of arty synthesizer backgrounds and not the opposite?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Os Mutantes' "Balada de Louco" sounds like it has a synthesizer on it, though it could also be a weird-sounding organ. Now that I think about it, that song might be from the '70s anyway.

exploder, Monday, 20 February 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Tangenting a bit: you've heard the Byrds' not-released-in-its-time "Moog Raga," right?

Sure. But to be pedantic, that tune wasn't really released until the 90s, even though it was recorded in 1967.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

it came out in 1970, but if you have never heard Don Fardon's original version of "Belfast Boy" you gotta hear it. total acid-house synth intro.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Me: Tangenting a bit: you've heard the Byrds' not-released-in-its-time "Moog Raga," right?

Geir: Sure. But to be pedantic, that tune wasn't really released until the 90s, even though it was recorded in 1967.

Geir, what part of "not-released-in-its-time" do you not understand?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I did see that you wrote "not-released-in-its-time".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The Moog was the first ever synthetic instrument that was able to play melodies.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), Today. (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

Oh come on Geir, I'm sure I saw a pic of you on your site playing a synthesiser, so there's no excuse for this! Surely you have heard of the Ondes Martenot, aptented 1928?

http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/martenot/

It's not that obscure! Orchestral works by Messiaen, Hohenegger, maurice jarre. It had an equal-tempered keyboard, so you could, if you wanted to, play melodies on it. Beautiful, haunting "singing" tone as well.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

Not rock or "rock" of course but, since this seems to be the main thread the Novachord is mentioned on, came here to note its use on Vera Lynn's 1939 recording of "We'll Meet Again." I think the one used in Dr. Strangelove is later, maybe the one from the film of the same name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xrofiEa4w

The Door into Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link


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