Who's Diggin' J Dilla's "Donuts"?

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i can get all the way through "welcome 2 detroit" but that's probably because it's not 100% straight instrumentals. "donuts", if i got it right, is just instrumentals, right?

i wish he'd released it as-is on lp for djs and such and done it as a mixtape for CD. something tells me i will eventually shell out for this and end up never listening to it (same as all every slum village thing since "fantastic")

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

part of me will die inside if hiphopsite loses the "where you @' logo

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Its easy to clown HHS (look at the stupid mix they're pushing on the front page right now) but they did hook me up with a "Damn Homie" t-shirt when I bought GRODT.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

what kinda herb buys grodt off hiphopsite?? do you live in norway??

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean i got mine at the discount mall for $5 two weeks before it dropped

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The herb who wants a Damn Homie t-shirt!

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

aight fennessey

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.recordcompanyrecords.com/graphic/int/eso1.gif
The music doesn’t make those kids cool. But don’t mock me because I know all the words to Mos Def’s Black On Both Sides. Just call me cultured.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just trying to acknowledge the ever-emerging Blackness in daily life. :(

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the ever-emerging herbish newjackness of rap critics

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body. Like I said, I’m white and I deserve khakis and loafers with pennies in them. When I see a white kid from Rye County or Long Island or any other blessed region dressed in FUBU jeans and a doo rag, I think to myself, “That’s a shame. That kid has no identity.” But just because I know my place doesn’t mean I can’t get down to any type of music I please. I’m often pleased by Rakim and De La Soul.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

^^ big no homo on that last line

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread title sounds nasty

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/casualt/More%20Fun%20Bags/racist.gif

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

what dude allows in his house >> http://themack.org/SeanColumnElliott.html

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The only kid to write about rap that's actually a bigger cornball than Padgett and Patrin is Fennessey (not counting Harvell, obviously).

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

not in a gay puerto rican stalker way tho
-- ,, (...), February 9th, 2006.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not puerto rican.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i was talking about tego calderon

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

YO..FUCK JEEZY..IT'S ALL ABOUT CHECKMARK FROM STITZOFRENIKS IN 2006 !!!

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

not in a gay (...) stalker way tho
-- ,, (...), February 9th, 2006.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

You can't call anyone gay when you wear capri pants and have an online buddy list which includes fat techno fans from Seattle.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

who the fuck are you talking about?? matos isnt on my buddy list

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

LOLerskates.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

J Dilla
Donuts
[Stones Throw; 2006]
Rating: 7.9

J Dilla's eagerly awaited Donuts, the follow-up to 2001's Welcome 2 Detroit (released as Jay Dee), is, like its predecessor, a stark departure from the cozy-socks-and-Xbox feel of his former group, Slum Village. In fact, Dilla, if anything, is imposing a meta-rap bent on neo-soul, assaulting the senses in ways unseemly for a guy who used to work with Q-Tip. The drums, though remarkably fluid, are lighter, domineered by dense, abrasive samples that are sequenced with a sense of swing. Percussive end pieces are shorn cheese-grater sharp, then appended to sickly spliced moans. The end result is akin to Norman Smith and DJ Shadow sitting in on a RZA-produced session-- spry, voiceless prog-hop by any other name.

Opener "Workinonit" comes on like a Rubin-produced take on Schoolhouse Rock. Clang-y guitars give way to doubled-up groans and what sounds like a back-masked Zulu chant. The sample, supplied by '60s soulsters Them, is diced with manic precision, and around the 2:00 mark, the melody builds to a climax, fading, with echo-y vocal bits, into bodiless abyss. Equally engaging is "Anti-American Graffiti", which combines lighters-up, love-not-war humility with a track both wistful and world-weary: A crazed voice spouts end-of-the-world admonishments like some disenfranchised apparition, colliding with somber guitars.

"Don't Cry" finds Dilla taking sprightly, blu-lite soul crooning and flipping it counter-cockeyed: "If Blue Magic or Whoever could see me now!" First he plays the original, then throws in the "Now, you play it and I'll show you how my voice would have made it unbelievable!" bit, before gently lifting its face off. It's chest thumping, to be sure, like the Copa shot in Goodfellas or Bigger and Deffer. And it's courteous. Similarly cordial is "Time: The Donut of the Heart", where he turns the Jackson 5's "All I Do Is Think of You" into a lucid dream-- the song's intro is now with the chorus it always coveted. Says ?uestlove: "[J Dilla] time compresses Michael and Jermaine's ad-libs with the uneasy ease of a tightrope-walker, with oil shoes on, crossing one 90-story building to another, after eight shots of [Patrone]." I'm sayin'.

Not that Donuts deals with only obvious sample sources-- "The Twister (Huh, What)" is the sound of flu-sick flutes chiming in time to a busted weathervane; "Waves", a hiccuping Hare Krishna class. It's Dilla's show-and-tell method, however, that's most effective, because it illustrates how he's, more or less, upgrading soul music-- we get to see how he unpacked its bag, what spots he told it it missed. This approach also allows Dilla to pay homage to the selfsame sounds he's modernized; the drums are light, to reflect the original sound from which he's borrowing. In that sense, Donuts is pure postmodern art-- which was hip-hop's aim in the first place.

-Will Dukes, February 9, 2006

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

you should be using your 3rd period study skills time to catch up on yr pre-algebra HW, not troll

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The end result is akin to Norman Smith and DJ Shadow sitting in on a RZA-produced session

patrin alert

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Mike Ladd
Welcome to the Afterfuture
[Ozone]
Rating: 8.6


You know the old dystopian prediction that cities of the future would be these huge ramshackle constructions, piled on the buildings of years past? Well, the reason that hasn't happened is that the "new" world would rather throw out the "old" unless they're too poor not to use it. Really the only old shit you see around now is preserved up all untouchable, museum-style. Practical application of existing structures just isn't viable in this modern urban landscape of ours.

Look at the cover of Mike Ladd's Welcome to the Afterfuture. It's an awful electrical mess, superimposed onto old building walls. Ladd's music reflects the artwork with chunky, pharmaceutical beats that sneak past dim strings. It's nasty New Orleans bounce with lyrics about listening to bootlegs of the Fall. And even though it looks kinda like a Marlboro ad, it's still a dope cover.

The record starts with "5000 Miles West of the Future," violently switching up from an analog keyboard assault to a sweeping ambient flow and back again, all while jazzy horn progressions seep through the background and make like Sun Ra handwriting. Ladd's rhymes on Afterfuture are at their most conversational, especially in breaks where he casually explains, "I'm gonna steal from the foreign merchant.../ For the cinnamon peeler's wife.../ Like I was bedding down with Isis."

As the buzzing keyboard stabs fade out, "Airwave Hysteria" begins, and the rest is swapped for rising strings and faux-Hindu chants, drifting yet again into some funky, bugged-out Casio shit over which Ladd first hits his lyrical stride, MCing with self-assured flow and coming with dense rhyme content to match ("Breakbeats from Thailand down over by the Ku Klux Klan chapter in Croatia/ We've come a long way from migrating crustaceans/ Generations of relations, history of violence/ I talked along in Babylon, next time I'll try silence"). Unlike many poet-turned-MCs, Ladd manages to go off like a motherfucker, and it all ends with a classic scratch breakdown, cut open with more of those damned trilling strings of his.

"Planet 10" breaks from these jams to bust on the simple beauty of a simple song, an intricate nautilus of synth tones and deep-space vocals stretching over junkyard ambience to some kind of nappy-haired slow-grind trajectory. Fuck neo-soul, this is post-soul, only somehow better than something called that should ever be.

Nothing else here really touches these first three tracks, but the rest comes close-- the lilting rush of the mostly instrumental "Takes More than 41," and the slow-to-start "To the Moon's Contractor," a song more summery than its interstellar title might lead you to believe. "I Feel Like $100" sounds like Warp Records unfavorites Red Snapper with actual forward drive and rhythmic interest, even with its dodgy "Strawberry Fields" reference.

Amazingly, Ladd goes for delf on every cut except the Company Flow-assisted "Bladeruners," a violent fucking storm of next-level racial and sexual articulation, wide string samples criss-crossing like frozen rivers, and a plodding organic bassline. It's perhaps the closest to rap traditionalism the album ever flirts with-- something for BET to sneak in on that lazy Thursday afternoon to give you a Videodrome-style brain tumor.

"It's all confused and beautiful" are the lines Ladd chooses to open "Feb. 4 '99 (For All Those Killed by Cops)," and it's exactly that. Besides Ladd's waxen imagery of childhood memories, the lyrics are mostly befuddling and his delivery is unconvincingly wide-eyed enough to fuel a thousand Björk videos. I know good and well that Ladd's trying to make this closing track a "Strange Fruit" for a future of money, women and computers, and I'll be damned if he doesn't actually come shockingly close. It's a stunning end to the album.

For all the obvious influences ("Starship Nigga" is pretty much just Björk's "Pluto" instilled with spaced-out black rage), the album still manages to sound pleasantly new, taking all the bits from the past that demand to be resurrected, and recontextualizing them into Ladd's own brainspace. Of course, this sort of thing has been done before, but I can't think of anything that's ever sounded as genuinely beautiful at the same time. It's all the wires from the liner notes covering children while they spread Christ-like onto antique brownstones. It's the genius of Ezra Pound and Greg Nice over tinny, rolling drums, and the awkwardness of my first paragraph over beautiful dimethicone symphonies. It's Mike Ladd assembling his personal afterfuture over the ramshackle remains of a distant past. Fresh!

-Ethan P.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

in my defense that was heavily pitchforkified after i turned it in

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

but fuck it that was 5 years ago!!! i was in h.s.!!! nobody is digging up your m4m personals from 2001 either

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

http://gossipingbitches.com/phat_nuggets/viewtopic.php?t=357

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you think i say shit like "MCing" & talk about bjork on the regular

xpost shoulda figured youre down w/ the only other dudes in the universe who still get hard-ons from obsessively dissing nerd rap in 2006

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

G.B is dead, son.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

what the fuck ever, it was only funny for like 15 minutes in 2003 anyway

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

They bit me too.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yo i believe it

we need to fight the real newjack enemy here

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Where is Patrin today ???

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha. Oh, 2001...such fond memories of seeing Mike Ladd rock for about 30 dudes in Wisconsin after that record came out.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

patrin aint really a newjack, he was rockin co flow back in his furry days

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to Once Upon A Time in Amercica by Smoothe Da Hustler this AM! Man...Broken Language....still amazing. Also, now I "get" DV Alias Christ...I didn't like him when I bought it back when, he was too ahead of his time.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a version of "still alive" by AZ over the "broken language" beat which is ill.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

somebody's mom musta had a ridiculous case of butterfingers.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

bbc's tim westwood just reported (via dj premier) on radio that jay dee died this morning. i can't find confimation anywhere tho... hoping its another crossed wire, i know his health's been shaky :(

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Jay Dee (a.k.a. J-Dilla; a.k.a. James Yancey) RIP?

that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys...always diggin. thats why youre so good at liking rap and stuff.

Sean F (Sean F), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

first listen, early thoughts:

1) this sounds like major force west megamixes circa 1990 (see: return of the original artform, "prop master's party))

2) was he listening to lots of theo parrish mixes or something?

3) where are the shuffly drums?

4) did he sequence it like this on purpose? is it supposed to flow?

5) he sampled the beastie boys???? (see #1)

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

so sad that he passed away...such a shame

sad, Saturday, 11 February 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm, here i was thinking this thread would be about people raving over how great this album is

and its ILM Rap Wars rerun number 193

what a shame

anyway, great fucking record. the key is he cuts all the songs after a minute. but he think he does some real clever juxtapositions too... check the way People starts out with bongoes and clarion calls (Last Poets) then falls into the abyss (some other sample I don't know)

bugged out, Saturday, 11 February 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

5) he sampled the beastie boys???? (see #1)

this came as no small surprise, even as someone unfamiliar with his previous work. i've listened to it twice now.

blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 11 February 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"ahh yes the sign of a great hip hop producer"

it is the sign of making great music. when someone can do something that is within a genre but its appeal is far

"i prefer reading a forum where this album's perfection is in question because the obligation im supposed to feel to call this the 'a love supreme' of hip-hop when i read soulstrut or wherever else is real obnoxious to me, even tho i do like this record

-- deej"

i mean, if you want to question the greatness of an awesome record, that's up to you. you can think whatever you want about this album, but my guess is that this record is only going to be more revered as time goes on, and for good reason.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

"there was a really old benji b radio broadcast w/the slum village cats talking about music and they said in detroit there wasn't really a differentiation between listening to techno and listening to hip hop. it was all just good music to them.

-- jaxon"

the detroit scene is insane. it really is something to experience. if you ever get a chance to hear it, Waajeed did a mix CD for 555 Soul that is all electro and non-hiphop. its a dope mix.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

its not that i dont think its good, and i in fact think it is excellent - its that i think its a beat tape and getting all 'omg transcendent' about it is weird

and i love dilla

deej, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

"its not that i dont think its good, and i in fact think it is excellent - its that i think its a beat tape and getting all 'omg transcendent' about it is weird

and i love dilla

-- deej"

but it isnt just a beat tape. what i like about it is that it mines some similar emotional territory to DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, but in a completely different manner. Shadow's stuff is long, epic, and structured. Dilla did it short, loopy, and choppy. i think the tracks that were on Donuts that have also been released with people rapping over them show that the beats on Donuts are certainly not bettered by being made into a song instead of a part of the big collage that is Donuts. the way the little vocal snippets change the atmosphere, the way the tracks go together, it is very impressive.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link

beat tape my ass; his beat tapes are good but this has so much more going on

winston, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, people love this record for a reason, and i don't think its just dilla's legacy

later arpeggiator, Sunday, 10 February 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link

like his life flashing before his eyes

this is pretty apt

winston, Sunday, 10 February 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Have folks heard this bit of awesomeness: http://www.wevegotthejazz.com/?p=10616

It's an awesome live performance of Donuts front to back.

matt2, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

should i listen to the avalanches?

― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did u ever do this?

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

amazing thread

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ pipecock's dilla changed my t-shirt essay upthread

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I would like to point out that deej was otm on this thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Guys the main reason I listened to this album is it seemed to be about my mortal enemy, the donut.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link

should i listen to the avalanches?
― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did u ever do this?
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this never happened

jaxon, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

ha
too bad. i honestly dont know if you would like it or not

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Does anyone have a (preferably unmixed) copy of the Okayplayer/DJ Soul "Assorted Donuts" that used to be up for free download? U will be my friend 4 life

Pompoussin (admrl), Friday, 27 May 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

nine months pass...

I love jamming this in the morning

love, light, and walkabout-thinking (admrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

Steppin' to the a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgOvNkqFe8

Andy K, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

happy bday JD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek_cufWYvjE

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link

Best motherfucking ever.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 8 February 2019 00:12 (five years ago) link

lol ethan padgett was such a shithead

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link

nah, yung padgett was a god

the late great, Friday, 8 February 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

J Dilla’s classic Donuts track “Workinonit” is the subject of a new copyright infringement lawsuit https://t.co/RMz9QWvolp

— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) September 1, 2020

boooooooooooo

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link


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