Enigma "Sadeness Part 1"... the song that will never fucking die...

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Q: Enigma "Sadeness Part 1"... the song that will never fucking die?

A: The good by the evil!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: FreeTranslation.com vs the translation given with the lyrics as delineated by the (Translation: bit.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Q: Are We Not Enigma? A: We Are Against God!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Enigmachick should say the word "Translation" in the lyrics.. in the same way Janet Jackson used to say "EDIT" in her earlier days.

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

DEEP FOREST!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

sade can i get your sister email why because she look intersting

NAthaniel, Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Gregorian monks are so HOT.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Half the atrocities of "Sadeness" is all the shitty spinoff tunes and artists it inspired!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Shot... emu...."

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

DEEP FOREST

My brother would play this a lot when he was 14 and say to me "you know, you just don't have any music that you can really RELAX to".

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"you know, you just don't have any music that you can really RELAX to".

B-b-b-but Frankie Goes to Hollywood!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Shuh... Zima"

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(IOW, FreeTranslation.com is no "It's your fremme neppa venette.")

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

You clearly don't own the album. Unlike ME.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, how much do you charge for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage, again?

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

C/D Bringing panflutes to shows as an audience member and playing along

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on, even if it's new age, the first Enigma LP was great, and sounded a lot more like ambient house and less like new age, than the acts that followed (like the aforementioned Deep Forest, or the worst of them all, Era). And don't forget that Enigma producer Michael Cretu was also responsible for the pop hits of his wife, SANDRA! Remember Maria Magdalena?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(x-post)

Haha, for once me and Dan Perry find a common ground. I used to be the proud owner of all three Enigma LPs, but unfortunately I've lost them somewhere.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, how much do you charge for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage, again?

With or without anal violation?

(xpost: I STILL HAVE ALL THREE OF THEM! Only I haven't listened to them in a dog's age. That may change tonight.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Remember the backwards video for Return to Innocence? That shit was so meaningful to a teenager! Though me and my friends always believed the yodeling on that song was spontaneously composed while the singer was sitting on the crapper with a severe case of constipation.

AAAWWW-AAAYYAAHH-AWWW-AAAAYAAH!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ass... Violat."

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i loathe enigma. it was the soundtrack to my roommate getting it on with a strange old man in MY BED. gross.

"iiiiii-eeeeee-iiiiiiiiiii-iiiiii---iiiiiiiiiii" -- pygmies

enigma = the WORST

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Did the strange old man charge you for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage?

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it was Deep Forest rather than Enigma that sampled pygmies. Enigma sampled Indians.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

And Maria Callas.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, what was the Post-Orinoco Flow/Enigma new age beats song that got TV ad time on some airline ad? I remember liking that one. It was also on some comp that got HEAVY TV ad time. They played it at the beginning, middle, and end of the commercial (maybe cause they knew the Deep Foresty shit would scare off even potential buyers of that comp).

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

you mean that one song on the Fruitopia commercial? and that one song on the Oil Of Olay commercial? Or...

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Adiemus, maybe? Did it have choir singing?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Adiemus. I need to DL that and see what the hell I was thinking.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

...and if I like it, keep it on the DL.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(IOW, FreeTranslation.com is no "It's your fremme neppa venette.")

OMG "Sadeness" vs. "Work It" MASH-UP!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG I think they're the same BPM, too!!!!!!!!!!

Sade, dit moi (Hosanna)
It's your fremme neppa venette

(Is this the point where I admit that I like that Deep Forest pygmy single, too?)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I like that there was a hit that was about a man who wrote lines like "he fucks a cow, which gives birth to a monster, which he then fucks". But I don't like the song.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"Now everybody's funkin' but they don't know how, they wasn't down back when the bull funked the cow..."

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

love this song .

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"Work the Sadeness"

No.

Baaaad idea jeans.

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

At the time, it seemed so state of the art and slick. Now, it just sounds hopelessly, haplessly dunked in a big bowl of cheeeeeeeese.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Alex in NYC and I in arms! Brothers! Comrades!

donut e- (donut), Saturday, 9 July 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

NEWSFLASH: Enigma album #1 is still awesome. There is a track on there that is an ambient precursor to Underworld's "Dirty Epic".

In summation, FIE ON YOU, DONUT-E POOPYHEAD.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

That’s not the beginning of the end
That’s the return to yourself
The return to innocence.

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Love - devotion
Feeling - emotion

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Don’t be afraid to be weak
Don’t be too proud to be strong
Just look into your heart my friend
That will be the return to yourself
The return to innocence

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ay yai yaaai ai ya etc

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

We used to wail the Return To Innocence, er, wails in the street.

We were students.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I've actually heard "Sadeness Part 1" in at least 10 years.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a very great chance I lost my virginity while the first Enigma album was playing (it was either that or Nothing's Shocking by Jane's Addiction). I'm not proud of this, by the way.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

oh god! the sexual connection to this album seems disturbingly pervasive/universal. i had already heard it a couple of times in america but it seemed so cheesy i didn't really pay attention. the first time i really noticed it was my sophomore year in college-I was in Germany over the summer supposedly to study the language/culture at the Goerthe Institute. But I had come down with a massive head cold/infection the moment i landed and since I couldn't get drugs all i wanted to do smoke all day and get/stay drunk. Unfortunately nearly everyone was a pollyanna type and just wanted to go to class and then talk in German afterwards. grrr! (plus a couple of guys from Tunisia who wanted to spread islam and rape people??). I finally found Tatiana and (i can't remember the other girls name) - two really pretty Italian slacker students there to espace their families pretty much and "be on their own AS WOMEN" - whick i assumed meant party. Tatiana was all feminine and contemplative and breathy like all the time. It was like hangin out with Sophia Loren. And she was incredibly tall. I was like the snot-nosed dwarf who held her purse. One night I went to pick up Tatiana from her room so we could go out, just to find her lying there languidly on the bed - with that chanting and "Sah Dit Moi" going on in the background. I was like come ON TAtiana aren't you ready? "ohh Susanna i feel so sad all day and have masterbate mabye 10 time. i don't want do anthing only masturbate. do you understand?" then long breathy sigh -- anyway, it was actually mildly disturbing but moreover i had nothing to say to that so we just sat there listening to the feverish chanting and "sah dit moi" for like an eternity. and that song seems way less cheesy to me now!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

let me feel on yo botty susan why cuz its phat

john bender, Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd never heard that one before but it's pure nostalgia bait nonetheless.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

Diminishing returns on Enigma records, but I think 3/4 of Cross of Changes is great

Vinnie, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z18HWWX6yYM

This is really weird and confounded me when I was 10!

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:50 (three years ago) link

sade can i get your sister email why because she look intersting

― NAthaniel, Friday, July 8, 2005 3:32 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link

OMG, The Voice and The Snake, like do you know how much joy that brought to a 20 y.o. goth who used to sit in the back pews of their mother's church and read Revelations during mass as a teenager.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 07:25 (three years ago) link

One of the two Enigma dudes had an entire massive number one hit career before Enigma. He is a very, very wealthy dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULN3U1NjlI

Three Word Username, Monday, 14 September 2020 08:01 (three years ago) link

Were there really "two Enigma dudes"? I thought Michael Cretu was always the main driving force behind the project, and according to Wikipedia Cornelius was only involved in Enigma from 1993 to 1996.

Cretu himself, of course, also had a fairly successful career before Enigma as a songwriter and keyboard player for the woman whom he'd eventually marry:

https://youtu.be/4jjzu1Z2RZc

Tuomas, Monday, 14 September 2020 08:56 (three years ago) link

The whole point of Enigma for Cretu was keeping the performers and producers behind it obscured, enigmatic if you will. But Cornelius is one of the few participants he's admitted to, and his name is all over their publishing. Also Cornelius' wealth since the 90s far exceeds what German-language pop stars generally have.

Three Word Username, Monday, 14 September 2020 09:20 (three years ago) link

I always find it amazing, like the ways in which Euro pop and UK pop intersect, and don't?

Like, I also hang out on a messageboard for a German-language band where at least half the users are German, Austrian, etc. and many, many times, they'll mention someone who is massive, huge, like Cliff Richard-level, even their grandparents know who they are, well-known in German-language markets, but I either think of them as an obscure one-hit-wonder, or I've literally never heard of them.

I'm used to the way that US / UK ideas of who/what was "massive" does not always translate. But it is genuinely eye-opening, discovering how little exposure we get to continental pop, beyond the occasional "summer holiday jam" that somehow makes it across.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link

Is Peter Schilling a big deal in the German-language market? "Major Tom (Coming Home)" is so cool, I've always wondered why he never made the international charts again.

Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:09 (three years ago) link

a Dutch TV programme did an interview with Schilling recently on his big hit and how it impacted his life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJZvD39M_A

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link

His German page on Wikipedia suggests he has about a dozen more albums and multiple other singles (and says that he suffered "burnout" after his international success) so it would seem that he was far more well-known at home.

(I always love when I go to Wiki and the English page is like 3 sentences and the German page has like 20 subsections of information.)

x-post

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link

some of the above is addressed in the interview I linked

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

― I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, July 8, 2005 9:36 PM (fifteen years ago)

Question got answered in 2016:

https://youtu.be/HHdylh210Ho

Siegbran, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHdylh210Ho

Siegbran, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I was listening to an apple radio "lisa gerrard & similar artists" station and the intro to the album was one of the tracks, which kinda highlights how auto-generated "stations" are inevitably gonna fuck up (the first track on MCMXD being a spoken "relax and listen to this album" thing, very of its day)

the specific nostalgia of the techno-dance-electronic music of this era is incredibly rich and also beyond that the record was always a very cool pop record

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 10 April 2023 12:17 (one year ago) link

now playing: the rest of MCMXC in a dark hotel where I've been living for a week

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 10 April 2023 12:18 (one year ago) link

I recently became aware of the Sarah MacLachlan collected dance remixes album, which is not quite that specific nostalgia (in either time or affect), but also not a million miles away. Someone more knowledgeable than me could probably trace some throughlines.

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 April 2023 12:31 (one year ago) link

The Sarah McLachlan/Delirium track is the exact vibe of the first Enigma album imo, if many years later

Vinnie, Monday, 10 April 2023 12:36 (one year ago) link

Oh wow you're so right! I think I had only ever heard the epic trance remix of that one, but the original hits

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 April 2023 12:43 (one year ago) link

now playing: the rest of MCMXC in a dark hotel where I've been living for a week

A fine approach. And it is a good album. I stand by my old AMG review from the late 90s. (I think that and the Enya reviews I did flummoxed a few folks back then but time has further justified my thoughts.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 April 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, dancing nude like Silence of the Lambs' Buffalo Bill.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 April 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link

One of my favorite memories is closing all the shades and playing this album in the dark while my friends and I laid on the carpet of my parents’ family room. No drugs were involved.

castanuts (DJP), Monday, 10 April 2023 23:59 (one year ago) link

Right before Delerium went the full McLachlan there was a song on Semantic Spaces, "Flatlands," that was uhhh a bit more than just "inspired by" that Sadeness sound. Love it, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PABYxXkCJUg

Devilock, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link

Probably the origin of my love of pan flute/pan pipes in techno

omar little, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link


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