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The live album is absolutely amazing. Man, what have I been missing...

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Would people like ME like it?

Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They've done two Momus covers in their live shows, "I Was A Maoist Intellectual" and "How To Get (And Stay) Famous". I felt famous when I heard Kiki sing that one... sheer glamour.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"its a little faggy"

---Yes. It is a little faggy. Their version of "I'm Not Waiting" beats S-K's, easy. Kinda makes the orig more fun to listen to.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Saw them (at last!) at the Hollywood Knitting Factory (aka "this lobby") last summer. Absolute, mindscrambling Art.

They fake it so real they are beyond fake, a performance of utter heartbreak and, if not redemption through, at least the simple comfort of, enduring love so utterly convincing that whether or not it's ironic is completely beside the point. That only makes it more genuinely moving.

Love the live set, but can't imagine what it would be like to only hear it without having the experience of their show to map it to.

Note: If you've been on the ILX po-pomo thread, they may offer a sufficient answer.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Any word yet of this live album getting a UK release? I can't even find it on import.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and of course, by ILX, I mean ILE...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think it's on CDBaby...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

does anyone have any k&h mp3s they want to share on ysi? does anyone have fox in the snow?

here's exit music (for a film):

drystereo (drystereo), Friday, 10 June 2005 08:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
OMG XMas show in Chicago 12/8!

OMG OMG OMG New Year's Eve show in SF 12/31!!11!!1!

(I'm sorely tempted by the SF show, even if I'll be the only straight guy in the room.)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm seeing the Seattle show on the 17th, should be good fun.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I saw them at the Bumbershoot before last. Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, I'm afraid. I don't have a problem with queer art per se, but it all felt a bit flat for me.

Vinegar and Artichoke Hearts (Bimble...), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Seconded. Watched two songs and left. Seemed fairly pedestrian. Maybe you have to follow the mythology more closely? Or maybe it's getting less edgy?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i saw them at fez way back when and they WERE worth the fuss. haha i haven't heard this record though!

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Or maybe I need more patience.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's kinda amusing to sit back and watch as the rest of the world finally hears K&H and tries to figure out what to do with them.

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but gah, bumbershoot? no wonder bimble didn't like them. that seems like such an awful place for them to play.

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I saw the last half of that Bumbershoot set, and thought it was outstanding! The reason why I saw the last half was because the line to see them was gargantuan.. so I missed the first half, since they could only let people in while letting an equal number of people out.

I still treasure the story about how Kiki tried to be Noel Gallagher's groupie.. fucking best story told at a concert ever.

dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kiki's "harassed by D'Angelo while serenading Madonna at her birthday party" story is a corker too.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've never seen them but I love the album. It's, for one thing, the smartest comedy act I've heard in forever. The song selection is great. I love the way Herb will occasionally come bellowing in with tuneless Viking-warrior backing vocals. The "Revolution Medley" might be my favorite song of the year. Every time Kiki starts with the "Wu Tang motherfucker," I can't quite believe it. Fabulous punk cabaret.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think one of the things that makes them work so well is the combination of 1) their utter music-geekery (I mean, come on, making a 10-minute showpiece out of a Butt Trumpet cover?!) and 2) their willingness to occasionally sing something totally unscreechily and milk it for all the cabaret sentiment it's worth.

I played the live album's "Institutionalized" for a friend of mine who'd never heard them before, and didn't tip her off... and of course the setup is such that it just sounds like Kiki babbling about her familial relations at first, and then something about the general outline of what she's saying seems vaguely familiar, and before you know it, wham: "PUT ME IN AN INSTITUTION!" "INSTITUTIONALIZED!" My friend didn't stop laughing for about three minutes.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I MEAN ... I GET IT ... BUT I can't imagine myself listening to the album more than the one time.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

jaymc i'd highly recommend giving the album as many chances as it takes (my #1 album on my p&j ballot, i'm pretty sure it's the album i've played most this year too), there's alot of humor but alot more than humor to it - i swear it's the most cathartic album i've heard since god knows when: "you'll laff! you'll cry!" i bite kiki's style HARD when i sing "total eclipse of the heart" at karaoke (and BRING THE HOUSE DOWN, ilxors doctor casino and emily s. can verify this) and would bite her style when i sing "institutionalized" except that's already a pretty fucking hard karaoke song as is just to pull off straight (ie. imagine and REGARD the FULL SCOPE of kiki's triumph). would kill to see them, DEEPLY envy that getting to see them perform was as routine for nyers as jeff mangum or whoever was down here - would DEFINITELY make that trade, as a huge fan of karaoke, covers, drag shows, joan crawford live at town hall and the album obv. i can't imagine i could possibly have been disappointed.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i would pay $$$$ to see you do karaoke, blount.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Those goddamn traitors haven't played NYC since they 'reunited.'

In contrast to gyps, I have the album but haven't even played the whole thing (maybe cuz I was at the show).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was really disappointed with Kiki and Herb Will Die For You when I saw it in D.C. Cabaret is a tough thing to appreciate and get into, especially when it's transposed to a large setting -- although, to be fair, Kiki and Herb tour rock venues and play theaters almost exclusively. I suspect that what I saw may have been a truncated version of the Carnegie Hall show captured on the CD: we got a fitting rendition of "Forever Young," but no Wu-Tang Clan or "Lose Yourself" or Tom Jones or "Institutionalized." Bummer.

ng-unit, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BTW, they're in Chicago tomorrow night (Thursday) - $30 at Steppenwolf.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have low low tolerance for parody-lounge acts, considering that the real thing hasn't really existed since 1974. About as biting as mime parodies and jazz hands. That said, I'd like to hear or see K&H to see if they're more than that.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Eazy, I'd bet real money I've got an even lower tolerance for parody-lounge acts. But Kiki & Herb ain't that. Or a drag show, for that matter.

They probably do do best in an intimate venue, though, where there's a real threat that Kiki might fuck with you.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sounds like they just need to do a tour with the Frogs and then Western civilization can finally end.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Eazy, I can make you a copy of the album...

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Having seen them just now for the very first time, some random thoughts:

* Oh it was very very very great.

* THE CATTINESS from Kiki but I could go on. In great voice, Herb mighty fine, drinks and cigarettes, yay! Douglas very OTM upthread on the basics of the appeal and how it works out. The song about houses burning down at Christmas is my new favorite holiday number, whoever it's by.

* Quite a mellow date-heavy gay crowd -- uh duh, I realize. Much smooching in the row in front of us, plus the semi-Freddie Mercury-looking soccer fanatic I was chatting with during the break

* They indeed did their Mountain Goats cover "No Children." so brilliant. And "This Year" was playing during the mid-set break. AND an amazing version of Dan Fogelberg's "Same Old Lang Syne" which was done so relatively seriously that some characters in the crowd couldn't take it and were breaking down in laughter towards the end of it. "Crucify" by Tori Amos and "This Woman's Work" also get airings.

* Medleys of choice (all of which confirm that they and the Squirrels are not that far removed):

"Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer"/"Smells Like Teen Spirit"/"Suicide is Painless"/"Miss World"

"The Little Drummer Boy"/"Boys Don't Cry" (sung by Herb)

"Take Your Mama"/"When the Levee Breaks"/"When the Saints Come Marching In"/"The House of the Rising Sun"

and my jaw-dropping favorite:

"Forever Young" by Alphaville immediately into "If You Were Born Today" by Low, both delivered with a minimum of screaming histrionics (but not completely lacking in them, of course) and sounding desperately epically beautiful as a result

* Encore: so dali, Matos and I all hear this song with, it turns out, these lyrics:

They say it fades if you let it,
love was made to forget it.
I carved your name across my eyelids,
you pray for rain I pray for blindness.

If you still want me, please forgive me,
the crown of love has fallen from me.
If you still want me, please forgive me,
because the spark is not within me.

I snuffed it out before my mom walked in my bedroom.

The only thing that you keep changin’
is your name, my love keeps growin’
still the same, just like a cancer,
and you won’t give me a straight answer!

If you still want me, please forgive me,
the crown of love has fallen from me.
If you still want me please forgive me
because your hands are not upon me.

I shrugged them off before my mom walked in my bedroom.

The pains of love, and they keep growin’,
in my heart there’s flowers growin’
on the grave of our old love,
since you gave me a straight answer.

If you still want me, please forgive me,
the crown of love is not upon me
If you still want me, please forgive me,
cause this crown is not within me.
it’s not within me, it’s not within me.

You gotta be the one,
you gotta be the way,
your name is the only word that I can say

You gotta be the one,
you gotta be the way,
your name is the only word,
the only word that I can say!

None of us immediately recognize it, the performance is absolutely excellent but the sheer awful awkwardness of some of the lyrics provokes laughter and we were thinking it was intentionally bad. Me to myself -- "Sounds like a My Chemical Romance lyric, has the dumb teenage angst down but the performance of the song makes it a lot better."

Afterwards in lobby with dali and Matos: "So I'm guessing what that song might be, maybe a My Chemical Romance song."

*various theories abound, a couple of Matos's friends join us*

Friend says something to Matos.

Matos: "It's an Arcade Fire song?"


The rest of the evening is partially spent in abuse from me in particular about how incredibly fucking lame the Arcade Fire is. But yes, Kiki and Herb made them sound good. Figures.

Ned Raggett (donut), Sunday, 18 December 2005 08:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

lucky. fucking. bitch.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 09:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I shall not complain at my good fortune.

Ned at dali's place (donut), Sunday, 18 December 2005 16:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nice write-up - makes me really want to see them!

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 18 December 2005 21:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i saw them play a secret show in new york (they billed themselves as a children's choir or something like that!) about two months ago. fucking incredible. it was also the most politically-charged show i saw all year.

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 18 December 2005 22:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It was kinda weird, on the one hand I appreciated all the explicit politicizing throughout the show in Seattle, on the other hand I was totally unsurprised by it. So I could appreciate Kiki's brilliantly bitter turns of phrase but the sentiments were telegraphed a mile away for a crowd not inclined to disagree. It meant that the musical mindfucks were the true WTF moments.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, there was the line that began the second line..

"THANK YOU, Ladies and Gentlemen. If I could love, I would love you ALL! :D "

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes! I had totally forgotten that one. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

(the second set.. sorry)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 19 December 2005 07:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

SECRET SHOW in nyc?? :(

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kiki preaches to the choir, but she do preach well.

Kiki > Margaret Cho, f'rinstance.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

of the three times I've seen them it was my least favorite, but it was still terrific. two sets for two hours total that feels like half that = you're doing it oh so right

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

My daily commentary on life is absolutely peppered w/ K&H references and now that my Best Gay Friend has left NYC no one BUT NO ONE has any idea what I'm talking about.

My sister and I once absolutely broke down and cried like a funeral when Kiki sang "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You?" by Stevie Nicks, and I just realized on Friday night (at the C@n@st@ show) that K&H's version of "Ground Control to Major Tom" is the only one I know. But sometimes she's better in recollection than in the moment of -- esp after the smoking ban there were times when I didn't quite know what to do with myself in the middle of their act. But OH the highs are simply the highest!

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

dali is OTM about "if I were capable of love," easily the best thing said all night (out of lots of great things said)

overheard during intermission:
Man on date: [brightly] What do you think?
Woman on date: [not brightly] I don't like this. At all.
[several amazingly awkward moments ensue]

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Wonder how he sold it to her.

"It's a comedy show, honey!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Worst. Date. EVER."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I am seeing them on New Year's Eve apparently (gratis). I'd never heard of them before, but this thread is making it sound promising.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 December 2005 20:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Alex: cool! please report back!

My wife just saw them last night and said they were great, and that the show adds a bit more to the Kiki mythology (continuing on from the "immortal cow"/"placenta-of-Jesus" story she's told at earlier Xmas shows). Also notable: they were originally supposed to play here in Portland earlier this month, but the show got postponed... because THEY WERE PLAYING ELTON JOHN'S BACHELOR PARTY. Wow.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 30 December 2005 21:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I BET they played Elton John's bachelor party. Holy shit. When will that one hit Limewire? (Today? Please?)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 30 December 2005 21:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Defeated for a Tony by a DUMMY!

That's too respectable for them anyway.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

that shit was not right. I thought they were joking for a hot minute!

Morley Timmons, Thursday, 14 June 2007 04:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

That was that bullshit.

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 14 June 2007 05:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

Shoulda pull'd a wu-tang. kiki and herb is for the babies!

rogermexico., Thursday, 14 June 2007 05:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Get ready London:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

thought this was a thread about peaches & herb for a second

deej, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Carnegie Hall again in December as well.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 15 October 2007 17:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

live DVD available Jan. 2:

Dr Morbius, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Funny thing was I saw Kiki introduce Borts Minorts at a show in SF this past Saturday. Kiki was great, Borts Minorts was not.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

Variety review of Wed night @Carnegie Hall (I skipped):

"If there's a sniper in the audience, I ask only that you kill me now," pleaded Kiki. "Don't make me go through this whole show just to shoot me later."

wtf, identifying "If You Were Born Today" as a Jimmy Eat World song?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 14 December 2007 16:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Boy, I would've loved to have seen that.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 14 December 2007 22:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

wtf, identifying "If You Were Born Today" as a Jimmy Eat World song?

Alan Sparhawk somewhere goes NOOOOOO

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2007 22:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I saw them at the Opera House in Sydney for so cheap (esp. considering the insane price of tickets for them in SF the last time around), but strangely the show was almost EXACTLY the same as the one I saw New Year's Eve two years ago.

Alex in SF, Friday, 14 December 2007 23:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

What little I've heard, I've liked. So where do I start if I want to hear more?

Mordy, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 05:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

profile in nymag -

just sayin, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:23 (six years ago) Permalink

just downloaded dendrophile, hadn't heard anything about it. it seems good. different thing than k&h, but good songs and s/he sounds great.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:09 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Kiki'll be having some fun this weekend:

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:42 (six years ago) Permalink

Justin is such a fucking rock star.
I see Kenny perform at least once a month.

this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 13:45 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

going to see justin bond @ REDCAT tonight, first time ever! i'm excited

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:12 (five years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Justin Vivian Bond begins a yearlong 'retro' at Joe's Pub!

forks, when yer feelin better maybe we could go see the Julie London thing.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 September 2015 04:23 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
six months pass...

joe's pub is having a nightly lottery for the shows if yer desperate

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 April 2016 19:28 (one year ago) Permalink

gonna catch one of these, pretty hyped

ulysses, Friday, 8 April 2016 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Kiki sez

"The neoliberals vs. the neofascists—I'm just happy that I've lived to see this spectacular bipolar moment."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 May 2016 23:24 (one year ago) Permalink

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