new Howling Hex / Neil Hagerty brings the funk!

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ergh comparing hagerty and harkleroad, most useless thing ever.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
So...is there any word on whether or not DC is going to reissue the LPs on CD? Because I kind of ignored their existence at the time since Hagerty's solo stuff honestly didn't thrill me much. But I'm listening to All-Night Fox now and I love it a lot. And I'm kind of upset to hear that the LPs sounded more like this stuff.

Or: any chance at all of snagging the LPs on SSK?

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 1 April 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I have all 3 lps on slsk. codename: MkDXN.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
From Drag City's news page:

Have you gotten your email blast from iTunes yet? If not, then let us break the news — there’s an exclusive online-only track from The Howling Hex ready for download now! “Sick and Old” is the name — but make no mistake, it’s for the young at heart as well as the sick and old. A song for everyone, could it be true? If it’s coming from The Howling Hex, anything could be true. Neil and co. are capable of anything — and they got the vision to try, too.

Speaking of The Howling Hex, this iTunes exclusive track is a precursor to the next phase — a phase involving more music, a film and even some live shows! It’s only been a few months since the release of the New Border classic, All-Night Fox, but already The Howling Hex are moving on. And why shouldn’t they? Life is short and inspiration is in ample supply. So before the end of the year, look for an all-new Howling Hex album, a DVD package and the wildest concerts you’ve attended in years. The Howling Hex is now a double-digit entity, with a full complement of musicians, actors and artists coming and going under the conductor’s wand of Neil Michael Hagerty.

We’ll have more news on the latest moves of The Howling Hex as soon as their carrier pigeon returns with the details. Stay tuned —

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool beans!

Huk-L, Friday, 3 June 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

http://homepage.mac.com/santogato/bbt.jpg

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
dude, this sucks. i signed up for stupid itunes just to buy this song, which is AWESOME by the way, and can't burn it because nero sez the format is not correct or something. anyone have this on slsk? gimma a break, willya?

roger, Monday, 20 June 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I've had it on my wishlist for a month, still no dice.


THis is from the Royal Trux yah00 group:

The show: When I entered the theatre (evidently the audience was prohibited at that
time), a woman, who I assume is Neil's wife, had taken control of the staff and players in the lighting configuration, stage set-up, so forth. When the configuration was complete, she disappeared, only to re-emerge (to my knowledge) at the end of the set. She had a very hands-off, distanced approach as in "I'll take care of these social
negotiations and leave the rest to Neil." ~5'6", brunette, old-hipster vibe, drank a bit.
Her affect reminded me heavily of Kelly. "I'm free for this moment."

Watched the opening band. Recorded one song. (I did not realize the members would later back up Hagerty). Short set.

HHex: 7-piece band. Hagerty, Mike Saenz, Dan Sylvester, and four players from The Theater Fire. No female vocalists! (Is Hagerty afraid of putting his wife, if she is indeed his wife and one of the vocalists, in the public eye?) Neil performed all of the vocals, save for occasional accompaniment. He would sing, then proceed to duck and conceal himself behind a monitor that he had draped with a painted gunnysack. I thought he was quite successful in his vocal execution, though I have yet to fully grasp the meaning of this act.

The band performed as a looped video was projected behind them. (I assume this will appear on the forthcoming DVD.) The band performed all songs on ANF, 60m set.
The theatre was half full, ~60 people

I have 3m of "beautiful boy" (Allyssa) footage of images projected in sequence on Hagerty's face. The fire of a baked-bean can set ablaze.

____

Intellectually I understood that the project known of Royal Trux had reached an end (at least through the participation of N&J), but the woman's presence and the full band really cemented that fact.

More later.

http://theaterfire.com/albums/NewMexico/acq.sized.jpg
(note wedding band. This photo is from the theaterfire.com site.)

Mike Dixon, Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

He looks good! Roffling at his Raiders t-shirt.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Drag City says:
Hot on the heels of their debut down in Austin, The Howling Hex (featuring Neil Michael Hagerty) are planning another couple shows this fall, in anticipation of their musical DVD release (set for November) titled You Can't Beat Tomorrow. Chicago and New York are the destinations currently being mulled, which is good news for Chicago and New York! The word on the Austin ‘Hex show was that it was “wild” and “crazy”, a bunch of people grooving together on stage too small for their size, with the man himself occasionally ducking beneath a rug for purposes unknown. They rocked ‘em in Austin — Chi-town and NYC, you’re next!
More eyewitness coverage from the Austin show:
I would describe the performance as rather comedic. It had a certain dumbness to it, a foil created through so many contending, extraneous elements. The band acted the straight role, trying hard to structure songs they had some control of. Neil seemed to leverage this misdirected(?), but well-intentioned labor to freely stand onstage, sing, sing underneath a banner/sac, and orchestrate the band from these positions.

Neil was very accepting of circumstance, not feeling the need to police the quality of playing. (Though he did make the comment, "I can't afford daycare" which was either a slight against the band and/or a preface to "What, Man? Who Are You?!"). The band performed songs 1-6, 8 from ANF in that order ("Cast Aside the False" being a bit personal?). They sang about 70% of the lyrics of each song.

Stereo(?) stage set-up:
Stage left: drummer (Sylvester), guitarist
Stage center: Neil, bassist, trumpet player
Stage right: drummer, guitarist (Saenz), pedal steel player(? - my memory)

It took about 25m to achieve a fuller sound. Neil stretched the structure/pacing of the songs very harshly through his actions/antics.

Mike2, Sunday, 7 August 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

So if I love Royal Trux and RTX, but didn't really like "All-Night Fox" that much (every song starts off awesome but then nothing happens and it gets boring), should I bother with any of the Neil Michael Hagerty albums? Which one? Also, is Hand of Glory really bad? They always have like 4 used copies of it at Reckless.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the first Howling Hex double LP is all-the-way great. ANF is kinda a concept record or sumthin (I didn't like it either). Hand of Glory is only bad if you didn't like Twin Infins.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

that's why hagerty loves him! you listen to the new Howling Hex album and notice how he's got those guitar lines just snaking through the entirety of each song, and that sound is TOTALLY Denny Vertigo
-- gear (speed.to.roa...), August 25th, 2005 5:27 PM.

gear (gear), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

should I bother with any of the Neil Michael Hagerty albums?

I YSIed the three vinyl-only deals in the Royal Trux thread.

Neil's blog is pretty confounding: http://hhex.blogspot.com/

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I bet "Howling Hex" refers to Goetia. Goetia, after all, means "howling" and "hex" goes fairly well with "damned" and "curse." Also, the triangle in the circle being the primary symbol on the first HH album, is the "triangle of art" into which the Goetia are evoked. I fully expected to count up the number of triangles on the cover and get 72, since there are 72 principle Goetia, but instead I got 64, which is still a multiple of 8 and only 8 less than 72. And Neil is clearly weird and esoteric.

Devil Made Me Do It, Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc291.html

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Saturday, 1 October 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Saturday, 1 October 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

My most anticipated release of the year. It's gonna rule!

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 1 October 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

It DOES rule.

jon dale, Saturday, 1 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Eyewitness reports from the Beating Hearts yahoo club:
Chicago show: started with Neil doing a reading on
"Van Camp's" backed by a tape of some Operatic type
music, delivered in trademark semi-indecipherable
mumble. Followed by opening act "The Ice Cream Men"
whose members later served as the bulk of the back-up
band for the HHX. HHX next. Six piece. Guitar, bass,
Sax, keyboards, drums, with Neil on guitar and lead
vocals. Painted backdrops, video collage projected
behind. Don't know the names of any members. No
girl/wife unless it was the Asian girl playing
keyboard. I believe Neil has a new guitar. I know dick
about guitars but a friend who went with me to the NYC
show said it was a Gibson Hawk or maybe Night Hawk,
but I don't remember because I don't really give a
shit. Played All Night Fox in its entirety with the
exception of "Cast Aside the False". Neil kept
changing shirts throughout the set. General beaner
aesthetic. Started out in a guayabera and and then
changed to Beans T-shirt. It was funny when he changed
into the Scarface t-shirt (is there a better symbol of
American ambition at this this point?) but it was
hilarious when he changed into the Paco jeans T-shirt.
A subtlety only discerned by being on-sight or
watching a lot of USA (network not the nation). I
guess the New Border Style incorporates wetback style.
During the NYC show he even stopped to comb back
greased up hair. I could say more but I think I
exhausted all my jokes on Sunday trying to come up
with names for the possible Mexico City NFL expansion
franchise. The music itself was top notch. Show very
poorly attended. By the end there were only a handful
of people there. Another entrepreneurial triumph for
Drag City. I thought it was maybe because of the of
the Whitesox/Indians game, but I mentioned it over
dinner with friends on Saturday night and they told me
that the Chicago music scene was not what it once was.
So there you have it. I was out socializing during the
opening part of the NYC show, but the HHX show set was
basically the same, except much better attended. Good
job NY.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

No girl/wife unless it was the Asian girl playing keyboard.

nope, the keyboard player did previously play with smog and bright eyes tho.

i could be wrong but i don't think anyone who played these shows (the sax player matt bauder and the bassist josh abrams are the only ones i knew) played on the albums.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

The fact that HH shows are so poorly attended, as a rule - at least from what I've seen in the big cities - is evidence of how everyone is stupid and ought to be killed. In a world made up of people with tatse, there'd be lines around the block and people camped out in front of the club the day before.

God Body, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

the show in nyc was pretty well attended.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

HH is great and all, but I loved that Theatre Fire band! Austin is one show too few. Bring 'em back!

George, Friday, 21 October 2005 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

New Howling Hex mp3 - "Apache Energy Plan" is up on the Drag City site now.
It sounds good.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it related to "AEP" or "AEP II" from the NMH presents the Howling Hex album?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

(can't listen to it at work)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's got different lyrics (no mention of Martian Manhunter, either) and music, but I'm sure it's related in some way.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

That is excellent!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Good song; though going by this and "Sick and Old," it sounds like the new CD will be more of a straightforward NMH album than something like "All Night Fox."

morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, "Apache Energy Plan" is one of the best songs of the year so far. Trounces the two pretty good singles from the last White Stripes album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole album, on the other hand (which I have now heard in its entirety) ... uh ...

Will be curious to see what Hagerty fanz have to say about this one ...

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(Though I have not seen the DVD yet that come w/ this, if that should provide some context.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

TIM OTM about "Apache Energy Plan" - SO fucking good

What's wrong with the album, Tim?? Has it leaked?? Spill your guts, hombre!!

God Body, Friday, 28 October 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Only heard it once, but seems kind of half assed and random. That's the only song like that on there. Maybe the DVD thing will make it more understandable.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

the last thing i think hagerty's going for these days is "understandable," but that's why i like it.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I understand. And I wanted to like it in that way. But I'm not finding that things amount to much here.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean I understand YOU, hpencil! Not Hagerty!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

no sweat.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 October 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I have left numerous fanatial, pro-Hag, pro-RTX, pro-Royal Trux posts here, but I am definitely not listening to this record as much as previous ones. I totally appreciate that the Hag does what the fuck he wants but the songwriting is bugging me. It's too uniform. But, I will keep plugging away.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 28 October 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"songwriting"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 October 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried to dl this on slsk, but I've only found one person with it, who banned me immediately because my 'personal info' was too jokey.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 28 October 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

04 - S.C. Coward

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 3 November 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, Tim is bonkers. You Can't Beat Tomorrow - DVD and CD - is fucking genius. I mean, the DVD is just as cracked and non linear as What Is Royal Trux, but hilarious. The CD is at once the most soulful and most psychedelic HHex release, easily. LOVE IT!!

God Body, Sunday, 13 November 2005 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

no-one saw the howling hex recently, did they?
i'd got quite used to the album-every-six-months rhythm, i think they're overdue.

schlump, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

According to the Drag City news page, Earth Junk is forthcoming. A little sleuthing indicates a 9/15 release date.

Mike Dixn, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

woo! alright. and on vinyl again, too.
i thought with the last one being only partially hagerty-songs, and the uncustomary delay until this one, maybe they were changing things around a bit. i can't wait, though.

schlump, Thursday, 19 June 2008 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Album cover / track list.
I've gotta say that Royal Trux tended to have much better album art than either principal's subsequent work. The 1st NMH solo album, All Night Fox and XI all had good covers, the rest are quite ugly.

Mike Dixn, Friday, 27 June 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

UH transmaniacon has fucking amazing art

69, Friday, 27 June 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

and *at first* kinda felt like..
**Actually** worth it.

Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

FYI for those who aren't Mike: Neil's little essay on The Wire -- the acclaimed TV show, not the magazine -- also featured very pointed digs at white people.

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link

(He also recently suggested that a motivated fan might want to update his Wikipedia page.)

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

The one-act play basically reads like an extension of the little skits in the You Can’t Beat Tomorrow DVD (though it’s very up-to-the-minute; involves “Covid-90”).

I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link

Soon as I get some income again, I'll subscribe. NMH is prob the one living *celebrity* I'd most want to meet

doktor forstus (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

He just uploaded a track labeled - "Return of The Rusted Sled" by The Vicksburg Occupation

New band name(?)

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 04:43 (three years ago) link

Looks like he's used the name for something: https://vicksburgoccupation.yolasite.com/

(that site's metadata includes a ref. to "www.denverbrunchgamesco.com")

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 04:45 (three years ago) link

It's really something -- this increasingly baroque insularity ("the howling hex is wrecked and is retired/done as a name"), blended with fresh stabs at outreach (the Patreon; "I noticed the wiki looked thin (no surprise) so if anyone wants to fuck around with it, say whatever you want. Just spell my name right...").

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:03 (three years ago) link

https://i.ibb.co/pnfWQbT/Screenshot-20200514-060417-Patreon.jpg

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 14 May 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link

Remember when he sprays the phone in that longform RTX video? Dude was ahead of his time.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Thursday, 14 May 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link

His twitter is chockablock with the most random, inscrutable musings. Like reading replies to questions that you never got to hear from someone else's conversation. I sometimes worry about Ol' Hag.

InternationalWaters, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

Nahh NMH is as usual using the message to skewer the medium

doktor forstus (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 15 May 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link

neutral milk hotel rules at twitter, are you kidding me? if you can make a twit like "beisbol is the sport not crakerball [cannon v hammer, 1817]" and have it not have any hearts, comments, or recycles at all, yet still maintain 2K+ followers, then you're playing games and you're winning

the burrito that defined a generation, Friday, 15 May 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link

Aesthetically, I feel like The Best Of was already sort of the “final” Howling Hex album, bookending the project that began with All Night Fox.

Denver felt like something different — it didn’t really feature the New Border Sound any longer (of course, Neil hasn’t lived near the border for years now anyway). The new album is, similarly, a return to more straightforward rock ‘n roll (though you could point out that XI also fit that description, and you’d be right).

Neil has also slowed down, output-wise, which adds to the sense that the old throughline has fallen away. His concerns seem more local and specific now (though no less idiosyncratic) — he’s getting older, we all are.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link

Lol @ "recycles"

doktor forstus (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 18 May 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link


Neil Hagerty

May 18 at 5:20am

Unlocked

BEISBOL

**working out some place sketches & maybe have an origin story [not wholly fact] by Tuesday

BEISBOL USA

The game many of us grew up playing [& it is a game a person can play into their 80s] was known as “Beisbol”— I learned it in southern california, southeastern atlantic coast, Florida, urban townhouse suburb areas, military housing areas, public schools, central summer league. It differs from Cracker Ball (steam hammer versus electric torpedo) in a few general, gentle ways. 

For example:

1 Ball is used for the entire 9 inning game. Ties stand. Ranking by pts.

2 pitching changes per team.

2 non-injury substitutes. Subs cannot be removed once placed, barring injury.

Advancing as a runner from bases may only occur with the standing runner(s) beginning the play with 2 feet touching the bag.

No steals or other between-pitch live ball action.

The outfield wall is deep, 450ft. minimum recommended. Home runs are rare. 

Pitching mound and home plate are the standard distance. 

The typical backstop should be close to the plate and rounded. Passed balls &c. advance runners 1 base and then are dead balls.

Balk rules are loose.

Infield fly = strike (incl. 3rd.)

Double if ball passes wall NOT on fly.

Foul balls are strikes, even 3rd strike.

Most the rules of Base-Ball are intact if not mentioned.

Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

If you want to die, believe in lies.

the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link

I was listening to a Silver Jews live 7” from a rate early gig, I guess it was some sort of Drag City showcase. Berman says something along the lines of “before the gig we were playing monopoly with Royal Trux, and they had an interesting strategy. They bought Baltic Avenue, put one house on it and quit.”.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link

In the Patreon, Neil shared a pretty heavy story about his childhood, and how the incident shaped his character. I guess I won’t repost it here (even though he gave his blessing to the sharing of audio files and stuff), out of an abundance of caution.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

Oh snap — his latest upload (from “the cassette vault”) is a 1986 track from the mythic Jet Boys of N.W.!

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Saturday, 30 May 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link

(...sorry, Jet Boyz)

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Saturday, 30 May 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link

(...) I must now go all the way back to the first band I had back in DC, Jet Boyz of NW— the band that I put on hold so I could do 1 tour and 1 record with another band— but one thing after another and now it’s decades later. The band name comes from a NY Dolls song with our local info attached; it was a great name because crackers would think it was some “gay” thing when to others it was a dig at private school kids. And everyone always finds it easy to dismiss and gain pleasure from dismissing “rock and roll” so it was a very uncool name, lots to clown with.

In Denver I LIVE in NW so it all fits, and the same kind of folks still plague me personally and professionally— so the mission is ongoing. We will see what the future brings. My only other next move after PATREON is playing on the street, if the city has a system to let musicians do that. If that happens I’ll be painting the Jet Boyz logo on a guitar and getting out there, hopefully get a band together that way. After all the false starts and dead enders I can finally get back to where I started and do it right. (...)

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Sunday, 7 June 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

Cross-ref from the RTX thread:

(....)1 year ago, after they torpedoed the trux thing fat possum came back and said they'd let me do a record to come out in the fall of ’19 and they would back the record up with tour support and so on. They buried the record this may I think and still owe me 17K in unpaid invoices for travel, show expenses, sessions, musicians, artwork. The publishing company offered me 0$ for it. That’s 0$ I came away with for all the songs I wrote for the trux record and the solo record.

This is the work that I do and I don’t get to choose the 2 bosses who i work for but if things go bad they blame the musicians & listeners have no sympathy. Things get contorted.

All I know is to stay on the path my father set me on, keep working to get very good at a few things, don't listen to white lies, you can't go wrong with a song-- no one else ever had better advice for me.

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

A friend had an extra copy of the Hagerty-Toth record that he gave to me this weekend and totally killed me. Singing a little wonky in a few spots, but awesome guitar and fun grooves.

Mom jokes are his way of showing affection (to your mom) (PBKR), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:10 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

^I was just thinking about that record the other day - would like to revisit it...

r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link


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