MICHAEL JACKSON: Are we sticking by the man or is he seriously not all there?!

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Lemon (I've never understood that one)
Maybe related to a clunky malfunctioning peice of equipment being a "lemon" (ie. the person's bR4n3 is a "lemon")

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

The moment that MJ changes to suit these cubicle-bound rock writer shitheads is the moment that I stop loving him. It could be worse, he could be on some small MTV soundstage apologizing for "Like A Virgin" and singing about the Kabbalah, or holed up in a Paisley Park and writing about the pleasures of Larry Graham, veganism, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Give me a elvin-eared pop space monkey who thinks he'll never die ANYDAY bay bee.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

But the new music sucks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, after his past few years — the alleged money troubles, the baby dangling, the bizarre marriages, the much-raking documentaries, the still-looming spectre of pedophilia and his declining popularity as a musician — I don't know how it could get much worse.
He's morphed from a respected pop musician into a ... fuck, I'm struggling for appropraite words ... one-person sideshow. And this still fails to even remotely encompass his "eccentricity."
The man is, to use a food analogy, many apples short of a bushel.
I don't care if Madonna is still discovering the world's religions or The Artist Again Known As Prince is a vegan recluse, MJ tops them all in terms of sheer grotesquery.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

But the new music sucks.

you're not just talking about Michael Jackson here are you Neddy boy....you obviously received that 'best of 2002' CD of mine in the post then ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Oh Christ, Ned. Invincible is infinitely more listenable than American Life or The Rainbow Children. Granted, it's the nadir of MJ's career, but still.... a big "so what."

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

His new music is fine (and, yes, way better than American Life or The Rainbow Children), but if the man isn't well he should be taken care of, and if he's guilty of any of the crimes he's been charged with, he should probably be in jail. Though I find his shenanigans fascinating, I'm starting to wish something would be done so that he's not a danger to himself or others.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

Good God....Invincible, American Life, The Rainbow Children, and The Rising...the four mainstream musicians that most made 1984 (MY year) so awesome have hit the fucking wall, hard. Painful, just painful.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Unreleased MJ tracks for download!

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think his next recording should be a spoken-word comp of his reaction to Rorschach blots, and it should include those of his children too

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:42 (twenty years ago) link

Also, he's broke right? Well (hint, hint...) - how much did the Osbourne family get? The J's would be light-years beyond that one! Cameo appearances by Latoya and Joe would be the highest-rated shows in history

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

Like if they did it 'surprise guest' style, only the TV producers would know that behind the closet door Joe would be hiding, holding a paddle with holes drilled in it. The look on Michael's face when he opened the door would be priceless!

― dave q, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:48 (twenty years ago) link

if they don't photograph parts of his body, including his penis.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

oh wow some of those unreleased tracks are truly spectacular in all the wrong ways, esp. "There Must Be More to Life Than This," which I defy anyone to sit through without cringing

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'm much more with Mike D than Maria and Anthony on this one (except I rather like The Rainbow Children, musically at least).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

You know, I've always wanted to support Michael Jackson, though I don't much like his later music. There's just something about him that has made me protective.
Problem is that I can pretty much understand and agree to every argument I hear against him, as he DOES seem like he's a bit of a sordid lobster nowadays.

I dunno, maybe he's sort of like a nestling that has fallen out of the nest,a nd is hopping around pathetically, filling my eyes with.. uhh.. whisky (phew, for a sec I almost lost my totally masculine badass image!)

But the world is a much cooler place now than it would've been without Michael Jackson about.

― Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Okay...okay...I'm going to say it, because it needs to be said.
I've reached a point where I don't care if Michael Jackson ever gets his shit together. But I would really, really, reaaaallllly like Prince to stop screwing around, hire someone with taste to EDIT his releases down to something managable and release a single disc album as good as "1999" or even the friggin "Batman Soundtrack"
...
There...now that I've got that off my chest...I feel better.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sick of defending American Life, but I wonder if half the people who slam The Rainbow Children have even heard the record. Or if they heard that weird-sounding voice murmuring something religious and immediately shut it off. Custos is right about it being on the long side, though.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Hasn't the last 3 Prince "albums" been box sets that are roughly 70-80% filler? Or am I hallucinating?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

the Rainbow Children has some good stuff on it, as did Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic. They are both too long, and they aren't even close to being on a par with his 80s stuff, true, but imagine dealing with that kind of artistic albatross around your neck... crikey... at the very least they are INTERESTING, in that Prince still has the capacity to induce "what the fuck is he on about?" headscratching, which I think is a very good thing.

Michael Jackson, on the other hand, just induces painful head shaking and a sort of morbid curiosity/disgust. And to equate him with Prince is just shameful, I think - MJ can't write or play jack fucking shit. He's only written, what, 4 or 5 great songs in his ENTIRE CAREER?!? I mean, who cares about this loser? His personal artistic output is pathetic - we're talking maybe three or four album's worth of good material TOPS, and on more than half of it all he did was sing/squeal.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha u guys fukin crak me up. thanks for the posts n welcomes. im thinkin im gunna stick by wacko jacko... hes made an incredible contrib. to the music industry and has some of the best lyrics i've ever heard. gotta respect that ;)

― Emma, Monday, 9 June 2003 11:41 (twenty years ago) link

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