Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or mute.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's for his own good

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

and ours too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

he sucks, huh?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

like a vacuum.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

but Horace Mann's already here!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

...sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all).
Nope, hstencil is right. He has a Kermit T Frog kinda vibe going on. But then again, so does Hootie (granted, he drops his voice a couple octaves to hide his plush-felt interior.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music.

(come on alex you're a killing joke fan)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bland, blander, blandest.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Why not?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

cuz it makes you an asshole

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

do you know every single dave matthews fan? are they all idiots just becuz they like that brand of music? etc etc

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its not the band I hate,
its there fans.

(Im sorry couldnt be helped)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate the band, not the fans (I like girls who wear abercrombie & fitch).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's at least one reason to like the Dave Matthews Band.

And it could be worse. You could be one of a dillion Athenians who flock to see DMCB. Yes, "David Matthews Cover Band".

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

(simon T is so gonna smack me.. again.)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

VERY aware of the Dave Matthews Cover Band (they play the same clubs Dave Matthews used to play). I used to joke about starting a Dave Matthews Cover Band Cover Band, and I'd write RUN on their flyers above DMCB. What's kinda insane is I know people who prefer the DMCB to Dave Matthews (cuz they focus on the era of Dave before he sold out, etc.)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

(when did Horace Mann = DeRo become accepted knowledge 'round here?)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

You hate the band's fans??

???

That's like, you hate me.

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think that the dave matthews band has descended into midtempo bore-rock for the past few albums, but those that insist that the group always has been boring (with lifeless production, etc) have likely not actually listened (with open mind) to Before These Crowded Streets, for instance - an album with enough darkness and life to defeat such criticism. it's not a masterpiece, but it's certainly not Hootie and the Blowfish. just ask the Kronos Quartet.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll pass on asking the kronos quartet, thanks!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was just gonna post how Kronos doesn't fit my description of "enough darkness and life," but you beat me to the punch.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Fair enough, Coolio, but it certainly doesn't help their cause. I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more fucking interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't think you read what I wrote - instead, you just made something up that you could make fun of. the kronos quartet doesn't scream "darkness and life" to me, either - but it "certainly" isn't an authority on hootie-style altrock yawners.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have met many Dave Matthews fans but I have never met anyone who chews tobacco AND hacky-sacks.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

uh, I did read what you wrote and yes Kronos does quite indeed seem the authority on "yawners" to me, probably even as much as Hootie.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

He sounds more like a donkey than a muppet. That is,if donkeys could sing.

― Scott Seward, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

Which is also why all this Dave Matthews hatred from Americans is so delightfully bizarre and hilarious for the rest of us. It's like you guys just decided to pick the most average guy on Earth to focus all your hatred on (kinda like that Gary Larson strip with the guy looking out of his window and seeing a gigantic crowd advancing towards him with signs featuring suitably vague accusations)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

For the reasons Daniel Rf referenced, I just can't hate the guy. Sure it's boring, whatever, and his best music, "Crash," had the worst lyrics. But damn, it's the fans that make everybody go rabid. They're probably the jam band I find the LEAST annoying, since they have the most attention to songcraft. Though John Mayer may steal his thunder in that department (if he can stop making that ugly face live). Both look oddly like Tom Hanks in different stages of his life.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

mediocrity is the worst crime, daniel_rf. alex nyc, hstencil, etc have pinned the tail on the donkey.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

In the attempt to be objective (setting aside for the moment the myriad reasons I loathe DMB, and almost puked on myself when my then-girlfriend told me how much she loved "Crash Into You") is that DMB sort of catalyzes a cultural opposition that's deeply intrenched in North American culture: the jocks vs the geeks. Geeks (eg, music critics) have never gotten along well with jocks, by and large. And in the US, DMB is jock music, played on mainstream university campuses, worshipped in the jam-band festival circuit, etc. I think some of the geek-side antipathy towards DMB has a lot to do with what DMB is perceived as representing: white mainstream America, self-satisfaction (not that we geeks don't have that too), Republicanism, white baseball caps, fraternities, pre-law types and MBAs who like to let their hair down and rock out to bland, corporate rock. Now, I'm not saying that all of these are valid points, but I think they're all tendencies behind the loathing.

Personally, in my most unbiased terms, I dislike DMB because I find the music totally uninspired. I come to loathe them because of the godawful portentousness with which they portray themselves, and with which DMB's most rabid fans have adopted his music as the soundtrack to a generation. Everyone wants meaning and depth in our paltry little lives, but jeez, can't you find something with a little quality to represent that?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

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Dennis Miller Bland

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 21:25 (eight months ago) link

Go Gauchos to yasi, but "Lover Lay Down" is a bad track

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 01:21 (eight months ago) link

disturbing to learn about lilywhite's own horndog leanings

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 01:58 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

DMB + YLT @ CBGB:

https://www.jambase.com/article/dave-matthews-band-yo-la-tengo-cbgb

― You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 01:50 (eight months ago) link

(…plus Love Child!)

― You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 01:51 (eight months ago) link

WARNING: Any and all comments including “tour bus” “sewage” and “Chicago river” will be deleted by my assistant Chylene.

lol

― budo jeru, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:40 (eight months ago) link

saw dmb at two separate bridge school benefit concerts in the late 90s, gotta be honest i could not get into it and pretty much zoned out the whole time. dave and neil played “cortez the killer” together, but it was not very killer to me

― brimstead, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:51 (eight months ago) link

I had a dream the other day that Dave Matthews Band played a show locally on a college campus, and a local, far-right conservative group leaked to a paper something really horrible and hateful that DM supposedly said, suggesting he was more of an ally to their causes, and they ran it. I'd witnessed the exchange and was calling the student paper to ask for a retraction, when Dave himself showed up on campus and threatened to beat all of their fucking asses with his guitar.

― earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:25 (eight months ago) link

or maybe that actually happened i don't know

― earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:25 (eight months ago) link

If you really take this stuff seriously, it is fucked up that they play 'Grey Street' to a bunch of bud guzzlers at the thunderdome.

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:44 (eight months ago) link

I'll bite, why is that fucked up?

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 August 2023 13:39 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyQjQclmH0

It's a song about a depressed person that ends with her still depressed, and everyone is just loving it.

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 14:15 (eight months ago) link

and I suppose the dancing people suit the music. The music already clashes with the lyrics. On the album, the songwriter and subject are trapped in a terrible dmb machine. In the show, the dancing audience are ghouls that beg the grotesque machine into motion. "We want to dance to the circus music about the lady who wants to die, dave!"

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 14:35 (eight months ago) link

thought Grey Street was about their bus driver having a repeat folly with the waste tank

― earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 18:04 (eight months ago) link

the woman is depressed because her kayak was loaded up with excrement like a shit pide.

― actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:10 (eight months ago) link

Hike up your fecal coliform levels a little more

― You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:20 (eight months ago) link

Lol - "Don't Drink the Water" indeed.

― Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:49 (eight months ago) link

Shits Marching

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:14 (eight months ago) link

Shat Would You Say

― Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:44 (eight months ago) link

Shatellite

― Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:45 (eight months ago) link

Chylene?! Chylene! We need you in here, STAT.

― budo jeru, Friday, 18 August 2023 22:48 (eight months ago) link

Chylene, Chylene, Chylene, Chylene

I'm beggin' of you please don't drain my van

― Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:51 (eight months ago) link

― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:53 (eight months ago) link

Big Eyed Flush

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:57 (eight months ago) link

I shit too much
I piss too much
too muuuuch

― earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 23:04 (eight months ago) link

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