Butthole Surfers- Classic or dud?

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and please can somebody tell me what paul leary was playing at with "the history of dogs" album. i bought this for £1.99 and haven't ever booted it out because i find it such a source of extreme bafflement. is he a drug addled twat and nothing more? is it a joke gone wrong? is it just execrable shite?

bob snoom, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The one time I saw them (already relatively late: 1990 or 1991), Paul Leary, I guess it was, kept rolling his head and eyes around, almost like he was having a seizure (though I *do* think it was intentional). But he didn't do it for just one song. As I remember, he did it through the whole show. It was impressive in a way.

I was supposed to see them again, but it was an all ages show, and the person I was going with kept saying we would have plenty of time, that it couldn't possibly start as early as I was thinking it might start. So we hung around my apartment getting stoned. We showed up at the door, and the guy at the door said, "Dude, the butts are playing their encore now," or something like that.

This thread inspired me to get out some of the CDs and listen to them again, and a lot of this stuff still sounds good to me. At the same time, it's not really what I want to listen to these days, though "I Saw An X-Ray of a Girl Passing Gas" should be a more widely acknowledged classic. I remember being very dubious about that song based on its title, but when I finally heard it, I had to give in.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

History of the Dogs is kinda good. He's pretty into being stoned. They are all pretty into being stoned. They're music is pretty much, in some way, half-assed. History of the Dogs is no different. I expected something different from Paul, too, when I bought this for $2. But, if you think about the direction the Buttholes have taken, it makes perfect sense. History of the Dogs is more straight ahead power-chord rock than the odd random-key noodling on previous albums (I think we have Gibby to thank for that, actually- you can hear and watch the difference on bootlegs between Gibby's high-pitched single-string meandering nonsense and Paul's ultra-processed cheez whiz spew sound)... Jackofficers, which was Gibby and King, shows the other end, which was acid house. Starting on Pioughd, King was dicking around with low budget drum machines (not sure why, he's an excellent drummer). Independent Worm Saloon was the most rock-ish album they ever put out followed by a pretty-digital hip-hoppy Electric Larryland. King went on to form the great Drain that is very techno-acidic, where he perfected drum-programming. Paul went on to perfect his producing skills with Sublime and the like. Finally, when they were allowed to legally release the Astronaut songs on a different label under the name Weird Revolution, they had the perfect mix of rock and trippy dance music. They cut a few harsher songs that were on the original After the Astronaut. All in all, I see the evolution and it makes sense. To be honest, I like the mellow songs and always have. I hope they continue to make less-fucked up, mellow-trippy albums that have a positive feel. I'm over the screaming/dischord noise thing. They did it the best on Psychic, Powerless and Hairway To Steven. I love the second half of Rembrandt Pussyhorse, but have little use for songs like Perry, Whilring Hall of Knives and Strangers Die Everyday, since I don't lay on the floor staring at the ceiling for a few hours at a time anymore.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Paul Leary has been rolling his eyes around in his head since the beginning. When I saw them in NYC 2 weeks ago, he was still doing it. It's intentional, but he's fucked in the head and he knows it. Also, the music is for getting fucked up to, so there's the joke.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh yeah, the first Daddy Longhead album was great, the second was not so great. Drain's "Pick Up Heaven" reminds me of the Steve Madden shoe commercial with the big headed collagey-cartoon character woman walking her baby chick down the road. It sounds like the fucked up music in the background and it is very good. Jeff Pinkus is in a band called Honky that has a new album coming out shortly.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

there was a second daddy longhead album???? this i don't know about - that is - unless cheatos was the second.

bob snoom, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Cheatos is the good one. After that they tried something called Supermasonic and they called it a poor man's ZZ top, but to me it sounds like Soundgarden or something. Basically, Cheatos is better.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BOO

blackula!, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

boo

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

lick my testimacles, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

norml, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ooh - is this some sort of html hi- jinx??? go on, aren't you just like galen out of crusade, you cheeky monkeys!

bob snoom, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Attempt at an un-BOO!

Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, now I feel silly for that nice, informative post I put up all in white text. It's all secret and invisible. Maybe I can change it to purple?

Nude spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BOOBIES!

Nude spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Deep Purple, Classic or Dud.

stevo, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

http://www.waneless.com/squirrel.jpg

I figured this thread was about dead... Don't hurt me!

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I went out and bought "Weird Revolution" without listening to any samples online. What a mistake. I think I was right to stop buying Butthole Surfer CDs after "Independent Worm Salon." I really don't like this. It doesn't have the sort of distinctive sound that their best albums had (and I mean it varied from album to album). I didn't like Beck's "Midnight Vulture" very much, but I think it did a better job of what this CD seems to be going for.

I'm tired of celebrations of weirdness, too.

DeRayMi, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I didn't really like Independent Worm Saloon much at all. At the time I did for a month or two. I like the newer sound from P to Electriclarryland and now this. It would be really boring to hear newer version of what they were doing in the 80s for my, anyway. A weird thing about them has been their consistant ability to disappoint me on first listen. It happened with every single album. Later, I go on to really appreciate them... All except IWS, that is. It's just too classic rocky for me. At the time I didn't think so, but it is their grunge album, full of regular guitar solos and powerchord riffs. Anyway, I think most people won't dig Weird Revolution, even the 14 year olds they're shooting for. It's 6 years old, after all, and it sounds it, too.

Nude Spock, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd like to think that I don't want them to sound just like they did in the 80's (though maybe I really do), but this. . . ? It just seems that they are following trends a little too much. So many of the songs are in the same sort of dead-pan rap that was used in "Spice," but this is even dead-pannier. I didn't know it was six years old.

DeRayMi, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, it was started as After The Astronaut before they got into legal issues with Capitol. I managed to get a copy of the promotional After the Astronaut off ebay and it is Weird Revolution with 2 extra songs: Junky Jenny in Gaytown and Turkey and Dressing. You can tell it's a totally unfinished/in the works album, but all the basic tracks are there and ome songs sound exactly the same, like Jet Fighter, for instance. They Came In was actually better on Astronaut.

The really interesting thing about this band, for me, is the consistent in-joke referencing from album to album. They repeat the same phrases or explore the same subject matter as previous for a line or two. It's an on-going thing and it's the thin line that keeps it all "the same". Just a quick example offa WR: "Shit Like That" he says "I need another DOCTOR!" and "doctor" is sung/screamed the exact same way as off the Widowermaker e.p. where he goes "DOCTOR don't toucha me there, DOCTOR" etc. There's a whole bunch of these references/phrases if you go back and play your albums, you'll see it clearly. It's funny. Other phrases: "empty parking lot" (found in Negro Observer and Golden Showers) and "get down", a phrase which finally gets it's own song on WR. Anyway, there's a bunch.

Nude Spock, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
Ok what do I buy?

-Boredoms fan

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hairway to Steven is the best, although I'm also excessively fond of their Double Live "official" bootleg. Rembrandt Pussyhorse and Locust Abortion Technician are also excellent. The recent comp of rarities/unreleased stuff Humpty Dumpty LSD gives a good career overview and is probably fairly easy to find.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

SMC = OTM

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Psychic.. Powerless..Another Man's Sac!!!

(I know this is just more of an indie cred/protest issue, but if you can find the used Touch & Go copies, you're a better man/woman for it (and slightly more rich). The Butts kinda did to that label what the ex Dead Kennedys did to Jello Biafra...)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

DEAR BOREDOMS FAN! FAN! FAN!

shakey mo sounds knows what he's talking about, but i think youll be happiest with the great mid 80s trilogy material ("rembrandt pussyhorse" "psychic...powerless" and "locust abortion technition")
hairway to steven isnt quite as good in my opinion, and stay way clear of anything after that. also, i'm not sure humpty dupty lsd really is a good career overview, it's more an odds and ends thing.

also seek out CREAM CORN ep, hard to find tho.

definitely agree with donut bitch, don't buy from latino bugger veil!!

my name is limitless, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

plenty o'brain cells went into that there catalog. Double-Live got lots of 'em. if I'm not mistaken, their website still has vinyl copies. LAT is still a perverse pleasure to return to.

beaty dna, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic up to and including Hairway. After that, meh.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"PIOUGHD" and "Independent Worm Saloon" have their moments (GARRY SHANDLING! GARRY SHANDLING! JOEY BISHOP!) but they veer pretty widely from their previous records. Lots more drum machines and keyboards, an overall slicker and more conventional sound. Some of the John Paul Jones-produced stuff has a nice fuzz-guitar punk-rock propulsion to it - like that "I don't give a fuck about the CIA" song - but it seems pretty stiff compared to their older material. Not as many sonic surprises.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

while most of the Texas Trip comp is impossible to wade through,, the two B-H songs on it, "All Day" and "Flame Grape" (an early version of "Jimi") kill. the former (which i believe is a rip-off of throbbing gristle) has gibby trading lines with daniel johnston, all bathed in loads of gibbytronix.

beaty dna, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Also see The Jackofficers... this is certainly more up JWILLIAMS STYLEE

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

That hidden thing behind the text of my last message is a link to a Jackofficers thread.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

(assuming this page will remain purple)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Eternal classic, no matter how increasingly irrelevent their post-Touch & Go output. No band in history combined punk and psychedelia, the '60s and the '80s, sheer sonic fuckedup-ness and songcraft (a near unthinkable combo) as brashly as these sickos. Add innovation, humour, repulsiveness, big drumbeats, hilarious interviews, nontraditional guitar-wank, etc. and you get the band that created Psychic...Powerless...Another Man's Sac, my favourite rec of the '80s and one of my top five alltime. On a personal note, I almost didn't get the cushy job at which I am working this very minute, because my interview was scheduled for the morning after a Surfers concert! It still woulda been worth it...

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The widowermaker! ep is after hairway to steven, and is still prime era stuff. thats total classic ep

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, tell me about the piss-wand wiffle ball bats.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't realise Widowermaker was later than HTS. Okay, Classic up to that, then.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a Butthole Surfers 10" that you can have if you want, JON.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

h, is that the one with Mr. Photonegative Elephantitus on the cover with the vomit colored vinyl?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved the mid 80s stuff but for some reason my fave track was off a comp called Smack my crack it was called Boiled Dove and ruled.

I remember geting super wasted driving around austin with my best friend who was a stripper at the time singing their version of American Woman over and over again.

Saw gibby around in his hot rod a few times too. The austin scene was kinda tight and we shared dealers from what i remember.

hector (hector), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

This is a dangerous thread to even poke the tip of my cork into (steer clear of purple precipices), but they were a dangerous band so what the hell. They were an amazing renunciation of punk politics through self-centered erratic living. Always a cynical and therefore evil meltdown. "Boiled Dove" is one of their best five songs. My favorite likely false story is that Gibby wiped his dick on Jimmy Carter's satchel when they played Brown University and Amy Carter brought them over. My favorite misconception is that their drum triggers were drum machines. Their vibe explained in three minutes of cinema is the hitchhiker scene in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, where the burnface greasehair takes a polaroid, lights it on fire, and then slits his palm with a knife after saying "I got a knife" -- also a lyric in Buttholes' "Gary Floyd." Classic until midway Pioughd (the album that broke Rough Trade), and I'm glad they got to play Letterman after they went out to pasture.

Locust Abortion Technician is a way of life = LSDmo.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive! this pretty purple thread. Why? Cos Pioughd just popped into my head for no reason, and I haven't heard it since 1992, and I was wondering if I should locate it and buy it and listen to it again til my head explodes again like it did all those years ago.

But Amazon UK says it's been deleted. Should I just get Hairway To Steven and have done with it? (I've never heard HTS btw)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 28 August 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Hairway to Steven, Locust Abortion Technician, Rembrandt Pussyhorse = the trinity of BHS records for most people.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Where the FUCK is the love for "Pepper"???

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

HTS is essential, ians triumverate is probably right, though i think psychic powerless...another mans sac squeezes in there also (and the widowermaker ep is overlooked from this period)

but the pcpep/brown reason to live period stuff is just as good, in a different way.

just get hairway to steven, you can't go wrong with that. then get rembrambt pussyhorse after that, i reckon

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

pepper's a good jam.
my friend phil used to have the psychic...powerless and widowermaker CDs. we'd drive around in the suburbs burning a j and listening to them.

oh, high school.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Pioughd is worth three bucks.. I'll give it that much. I don't think even the band would say that.

donut gon' nut (donut), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"And has anyone seen that "family style barbeque" video Touch & Go made where gibby greases the frying pan with his trouser snake juice that oozes into letter formations spelling "SATAN"? What the hell????"

Stupidity? Annoyingness?

Zoogz Rift >>>>>> Butthole Surfers

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

you miss
the point

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I am so not me OMG. I mean, NORMALLY, not now.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:28 (six years ago) link

<3 you rudipherous

bamcquern, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:36 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

You have not lived until you've read Kramer's in-depth story of the Butthole Surfers and Norway (in toto). Third of the three questions here:

https://believermag.com/logger/three-questions-for-kramer/

“He has told me that he has all ten of your records.”

“We only have two. Believe me.”

“Well, then maybe he is now dreaming. The Swedes are big dreamers."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link

Fucking hell.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

A great read, thanks Ned!

"Of the ten or so times in my nearly sixty years that I have witnessed my life flashing before my eyes, Gibby was right there for eight or nine of them."

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link

Incredible. There needs to be a book.

All 3 answers were just fantastic. I have had to revise my near life long idea of what Daevid Allen was really like.

But that Stavanger gig, OMG!

Thanks for the link.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

Whoa. Why is this thread purple. Is this a flashback.

Branwell with an N, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

As good a time as any to note that there's a Kickstarter for a documentary happening -- already reached its goal and seven days to go, seems like it'll be good fare based on the people behind it:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theholetruth/the-butthole-surfers-movie/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 00:34 (two years ago) link

i have everything by them!

xzanfar, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 02:11 (two years ago) link

Thank you! xp

StanM, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 04:59 (two years ago) link

and also thanks for linking those three questions to Kramer! what a story teller.

StanM, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 06:16 (two years ago) link

just something from 2017 I didn't know: https://superiorshit.blogspot.com/2017/06/how-artwork-fo-butthole-surfers-ended.html

StanM, Sunday, 2 January 2022 19:51 (two years ago) link

on Kickstarter--Pledge $250 or more
"What Does Regret Mean?" Book
Get a special edition Melodic Virtue/Aaron Tanner's Butthole Surfers coffee table book, "What Does Regret Mean?" - the first 100 donors who will pledge $300 or more for this reward will receive a book signed by Gibby Haynes, Paul Leary, and King Coffey!

curmudgeon, Sunday, 2 January 2022 19:58 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Anyone hear Leary's new album yet?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link

Born Stupid? Yeah, I thought it was surprisingly enjoyable.

StanM, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

Just leaving this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj38l9n98aE

MaresNest, Friday, 6 January 2023 18:45 (one year ago) link

there are several clips with Gibby Haynes with The Paul Green Rock Academy on YT, from last Summer. All quite hectic.

StanM, Friday, 6 January 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

crucial chunks of the Butthole Surfers catalog are now available via Matador on digital services ; LP reissues coming down the road (please look both ways). Stream / download : https://t.co/6uSVENanQq
more detail : https://t.co/mhmcRvgwwB@buttholesurfers pic.twitter.com/XeKtLQz9Ld

— Matador Records (@matadorrecords) May 24, 2023

city worker, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:01 (ten months ago) link

crucial chunks of the butthole

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 18:46 (ten months ago) link

No bonus material? It's just a (bowel) movement then

StanM, Thursday, 25 May 2023 10:28 (ten months ago) link

eight months pass...

haha they removed Negro Observer

https://store.matadorrecords.com/psychic-powerless-another-man-s-sac

StanM, Thursday, 8 February 2024 14:24 (two months ago) link

I just had a good look at the images of the vinyl, and it looks the the record covers all have a logo in the upper left hand corner now?

I just cancelled my order, these seemed like a good deal but not if they're messing around with the music and art.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:17 (two months ago) link

I think that's just a sticker maybe?

StanM, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:26 (two months ago) link

I assumed that at first, but since when do they show stickers on the mockups with the record coming out of it?

Maybe it is, but messing with the music is my main problem with it. Part of the appeal was getting proper versions of these but I can't say that's the case now. And if they're willing to cut a song, who knows what other alterations there may be. I get being... embarrassed, maybe the Surfers themselves wanted the song removed. But for a B.S. song that has the word "negro" in the title, it could be a lot worse. Why not just change the title to "Observer?"

"I Wanna Be Black" isn't the best Lou Reed song but I'm not buying a version of Street Hassle that doesn't have it.

Cow_Art, Friday, 9 February 2024 10:08 (two months ago) link

the remasters are very good though, heard the download versions and they're definitely improvements over the 1999 (?) reissues.

StanM, Monday, 12 February 2024 21:58 (two months ago) link


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