Atom Egoyan: Search and Destroy

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Where the Truth Lies was so bad, I wondered if it was bad on purpose. Maury Chaykin was wonderful, though.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

god it looks awful huh

i interviewed him comedically at last year's tiff

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Egoyan's searchers should start from start to finish:
it seems he is getting worse from picture to picture.
Exotica is my favourite:
it has a genius use of segmantic time sequences, that looks alienated to each other in the begining, but as the movie proceeds, the broken puzzle pieces are fixed to perfection in the end.
Egoyan is great for that trick, and when he finished dealing with time and editing techniques, it was the end of him as an intersting director for me.

happy is a word, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

A big part of why it was terrible (though my man-crush Ebert sure liked it) was the story itself, from the mechanics of the "mystery" (i.e. "how did you know she was wearing purple gloves--unless you were there!?!?!" etceteras) to the half-baked moral dilemma. And the lead actress was astonishingly awful.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

s1ocki, were you, he, or both being comedic?

Ararat was a mess, I'm curious to see Truth on DVD.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i was being comedic. he very much was not.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

As terrible as Truth was, it was oddly watchable.
xpost

AND ANOTHER THING: The Bacon/Firth comedy team was very much unfunny in their act.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost:

Slocki, are you Jiminy Glick?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

haha!

casting kevin bacon and colin firth as martin & lewis is astonishingly weird.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin Bacon as a jewish comedian is the weirdest gentile-as-jew casting choice since Brendan Frasier in School Ties.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i know!! colin firth as an italian is pretty weird too

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Well given that it's "guys like M & L..." Yes, still weird. (But they had Sean Hayes as Lewis in some TV film, which is just criminal.)

and what about when Melanie Griffith played a Hasid?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Search Gross Misconduct, a made-for-tv jobbie Egoyan did in 1993 about the tragic life of hockey star Brian 'Spinner' Spencer. Just so you can see the worst wannabe avant-garde piece of trash possibly ever shown on a national (CBC I think) television network. Egoyan wrapped up a very interesting story in all sorts of directorial hokum.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i havent seen where... yet, though i want to, i really admired the amerinan film he did before that, not exactly liked it, but had a really powerful script, and some great acting

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Ararat? I couldn't get into it at all.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

thats it
donald sutherland was amazing in it, and the writing was top notch. it wasnt a good movie, but an interesting one

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Verhoeven on Egoyan's Exotica, in a Guardian interview around the time of Showgirls:

"That's a dishonest movie," Verhoeven says. "It's not showing the sleaze and just trying to be artistic. I protest against that. I'm a realist. I'm not selling it but showing it. If I'd wanted to sell it, then I would never have created this nasty, negative, backstabbing lying, cheating character of Nomi [the lead role, played by Elizabeth Berkley]. That's going against every convention. People want a fucking whore, and then they want her to have a good heart."

All that, of course, does make Nomi remarkably difficult to empathise with. "So's Lady Macbeth," Verhoeven says.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"donald sutherland was amazing in it, and the writing was top notch. it wasnt a good movie, but an interesting one"

Donald Sutherland was in it? I don't recall him at all. Are you thinking of Christopher Plummer?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Verhoeven is very weird. A realist! *guffaw*

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

search: calendar
meh: exotica, sweet hereafter
destroy: felicia's journey

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i have a copy of the adjuster, should I watch it?

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I still love The Sweet Hereafter to death, mostly because Ian Holm is phenomenal in it. Plus, he's a better adapter than original screenwriter (Felicia's Journey was a snooze though).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I like The Adjuster quite a bit.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the Adjuster and Exotica, though I don't think I'd seen any of Egoyan's later films until Where The Truth Lies.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"Plus, he's a better adapter than original screenwriter (Felicia's Journey was a snooze though)."

That's bonkers.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait a minute, The Sweet Hereafter has Bob Hoskins AND Ian Holm? Wouldn't they cancel each other out somehow?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Hoskins isn't in the The Sweet Hereafter. He was in Felicia's Journey.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Hoskins stars in Felicia's Journey, not Hereafter.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

That's bonkers.

Most of his original dialogue sounds like Japanese koans translated into English.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

They should have gotten Hoskins to be the video-game version of Ian Holm in ExistenZ.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha even if that were true (and it only OCCASSIONALLY is) his original screenplays are a million times more interesting (and unusual) than any of his adapted stuff. I guess I really don't care if he writes his own stuff. I just want him to stop making crap.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Verhoeven utterly missing the point of Exotica non shocker

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

made-for-tv jobbie Egoyan did in 1993 about the tragic life of hockey star Brian 'Spinner' Spencer. Just so you can see the worst wannabe avant-garde piece of trash

Not all a-v Canadian hockey films can be Cowards Bend the Knee, you know.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Did anyone see Adoration? This played for like one week in Berkeley and I appear to have missed it.

akm, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

...and here's the trailer for Chloe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPimNHuCoRQ

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

remembered this guy during films of the 00's poll, thought how he had really fallen off compared to the previous decade

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/chloe/

i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

He fell off as soon as he stopped writing his own scripts.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

had no idea he had another one out so soon. I still haven't seen the last one. Which is weird because he was probably my favorite modern director for a number of years there.

akm, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I've only seen three of his films, I think. He's sometimes at the Cinematheque (Toronto) when I see films there. I'm not bold enough to go up to him and say, "Stop--please."

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

We watched Chloe last night... Mixed feelings on it. I guessed the twist right away (never saw the source film this was based on) but thought the third act was the weekest. Not bad though, the lead has great lips and curves... kinda this Sarah Polley meets ScarJo hybrid (straight up Egoyan's alley, iow). Julianne Moore is pretty decent too. I think this was the movie that Liam Neeson was filming when his wife died. Not sure if that affected his performance. Idk, I could go either way on this. Might watch again.

Fuck these fake assholes. They suck now.#0 (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link

"Plus, he's a better adapter than original screenwriter"

Still can't believe someone believes this.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Are you not familiar with Amanda Seyfried, Shasta? She's been getting a lot of roles lately.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link

If you had looked at this poster when it came out, and were asked who would have the best career 7 years down the road, would you have picked Amanda Seyfried? I doubt that anyone would, yet here we are.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8f/Mean_Girls_movie.jpg/220px-Mean_Girls_movie.jpg

The Man Mens (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

felicia's journey was a weird freakin movie. idk what was even going on in that one.

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Felicia's Journey came out while I was living in Birmingham, and it was fun to see my adopted home writ large.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i haven't seen his last three films, for some reason. at one point he was my favorite filmmaker. I still think most of his stuff through Sweet Hereafter is top-notch. YOu need to get over the canadian-ness of some of the acting though.

akm, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link

If you had looked at this poster when it came out, and were asked who would have the best career 7 years down the road, would you have picked Amanda Seyfried? I doubt that anyone would, yet here we are.

in the shower this morning i was trying to remember if amanda seyfried had been in this movie, and i managed to convince myself i'd been confusing her with blonde rachel mcadams.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

you all shouldve watched Veronica Mars, where Amanda Seyfried plays a better dead girl than Sheryl Lee...

hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Just watched Sweet Hereafter again; I think that movie has held up really well...

excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 21 May 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link

Chloe is like one of his old Red Shoe Diaries episodes. Remember was so bad.

Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:36 (three years ago) link

still haven't seen anything past Ararat. I think his films through Sweet Hereafter are all awesome.

akm, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Buncha his films newly available on Criterion Channel. Guess I should finally watch The Adjuster?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link

I remember loving The Adjuster while also having it nake me feel slightly nauseous inside

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 July 2020 10:18 (three years ago) link

That's how I feel about a lot of his earlier stuff. It can be so ... discomfiting. (At least "Next of Kin" is pretty funny, iirc.) I want to say his "mature" streak of "Calendar," "Exotica" and "Sweet Hereafter" is where it all comes together (right before it all falls apart), but I haven't seen those early movies in so long.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link

Adoration is not terrible iirc

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:01 (three years ago) link

oooh i'm finally gonna get to see exotica!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:36 (three years ago) link

/Adoration/ is not terrible iirc


Sadly it’s his last good movie.

I want to show love for /Ararat/ too. It made my fascinated with Arshile Gorky and his very personal surrealist work.

Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link

Saw Next of Kin for the first time... It is funny, but also has the hollow protagonist/videotape thing which is quite creepy.

Also i'd forgotten Arsinée Khanjian is married to Egoyan.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 July 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

it's hard to forget by the sixth time she shows up in one of his movies

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 3 July 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link

LOL

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link

I've forgotten how much a creepy queerness permeates his films

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link

Not sure i've ever detected that, but i'm rewatching stuff now after a 15-20-year layoff.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 July 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

The older victim in The Adjuster feverishly kissing Elias Koteas' hand; the gay scene in Exotica...

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

his early movies are all incredible and that unsettling, uncomfortable aspect is what makes them so. but my favorite is Calendar.

akm, Friday, 3 July 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link

I'm dreading a rewatch of Family Viewing but I'm otherwise compelled to. I haven't rewatched any of the early ones since they came out.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 17 July 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

wow, the adjuster!!!! what a film

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

rewatched exotica last night, that's now an all-timer for me. a vibe i haven't found anywhere else

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

the verhoeven quote upthread is fundamentally right especially wrt to comparing exotica and showgirls, but it also wouldn't occur to me to compare them. showgirls is corrupted; exotica, despite its consumingly sinister atmosphere, is very innocent. these are babes in the woods, broken apart by trauma and reassembled into people they don't recognize

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link

the club is incredible but all of my favorite dialogue exchanges in the movie are between bruce greenwood and sarah polley in the car

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link

yes, one of my absolute all time favorite films. I think the screenplay is exceptional. It's one of the only screenplays I bought in book form and kept.

akm, Friday, 25 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link

showgirls and exotica aren't even remotely about the same thing so comparing them isn't fair to either one. Exotica is explicitly about grief.

akm, Friday, 25 September 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link

the abrupt transition from the club to the shot of the search party emerging over the hill and then back to bruce greenwood sweating in the bathroom... takes my breath away

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

Liked Exotica when it came out, haven’t seen it since. Did see Don McKellar’s Last Night finally on MUBI recently.

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 September 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

holy fucking shit @ speaking parts

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link


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