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What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were torgotback@aol.com, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

― Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

― Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

― David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

grr, watch it daddino.

― ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Le huh?

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

― Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

― Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

― Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

― Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

is this ever shown in the UK?

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

http://www.mst3kinfo.com/satnews/catalog/Basement.htm
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/daddyo/images/mrb5.JPG

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It is a thing of beauty, that particular short. And chilling horror. Yeah, there are two short comps that are on DVD, but neither contain that gem. It's possible this thing Rhino is promising is some sort of basement-clearing compilation of all the various video oddities that have surfaced from Best Brains -- the second Poopie tape (the first is a DVD bonus with Manos, the scrapbook, more shorts like that, etc. But we'll see, I guess! (My other irrational hope is a full-on special edition of the movie...)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Keep in mind that the fidelity on these files is sometimes suprisingly good considering the size, and sometimes fairly bad, but even the worst files usually have more than enough detail for a person to get what's going on.

I'm hoping the DVD is a Santa Claus vs. The Martians/Santa Claus double fun pak. It is going to come out late 2003, after all.

Later I may want to say something about MST3K in light of Mark's venting on Zappa, but right now I want to go to Central Park and maybe the Malevich exhibit before it starts raining (again).

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I SERIOUSLY NEED TO BUY SIDEHACKERS. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT SINCE HIGH SCHOOL

goooch....goooch....

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the tuba is like a fat jolly king! knew your father I did!

This show got me through middle school.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Live fast, die young, leave a fat, bloated, ugly corpse.

― luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"That squares my breasts!"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen about four episodes of MST3K, but "Mr. B Natural" has got to be one of the funniest shorts ever! "We're white, we're white, we're really, really white..." I obv need to get a-downloadin on this show.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 25 May 2003 23:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It is good to see the newer folks here who have the love. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well...that is the point, kinda. The AOL MSTies used to monkey-pile together in a chat room, and riff like mad to cable TV movies or rented VHS tapes. I remember Congo and A Star Is Born being particularly good for that.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have no TV. I have no VCR. But I do have about 40 tapes of MST3K, well over 100 episodes, mostly Seasons 2-7, with a few 1s and KTMAs.

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'll admit mst3ks were like bad movies with training wheels for me (and yeah, I love watching b-movies with friends now), but the best episodes still leave me crying.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hard core MST3K-ites with lots of bandwidth should check out the Digital Archive Project which is where I'm getting most of my episodes from.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

blimey chris, that site's enough to make a young man run out and get broadband and a huge eff-off new harddrive...

(current space on home PC C-Drive abt 700meg, it are old and small)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 26 May 2003 10:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

did I mention that I saw them live w/Joel at the Uptown Theater, one of the TWO PERFORMANCES EVER w/him? well I did < /gloat>

"Santa Claus, you're coming with us!"
"You're coming to town."

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, I do have broadband and a sum total of 150GB of storage over a couple of drives. My consumption rate of DVD-R blanks is pretty scary.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

Because I'm not funny. And neither are you.

― NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"nipple nipple tweak tweak AWAY!"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sundar OTM. funny at times, but c'mon snapping along to a movie is way up there on the annoyometer.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And to explain the 'point' a bit more to the unbelievers Sundar and Gff, or at least note the method -- the Best Brains put in a lot of effort and practice over time to make what seemed like a casual delivery of comments done on the spot be just that rather than the intensively scripted effort it really was. When they're firing on four cylinders at their best, it's a marvel.

Fave all time moment ever, from any episode -- this snippet from Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, delivered and timed JUST RIGHT:

MARTIAN: "What soft, and round, and you put it on the end of a stick --"

SERVO: "An elf?"

MARTIAN: "-- and green?"

SERVO: "Oh, a DEAD elf."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"It's not funny when other people do it" is one argument, but "do it yourself" is silly. Why watch a movie at all, then, when you could make your own? Because that's what people do.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Someone should invent MST3K glasses with the robots printed on the bottoms of the lenses for people to wear to movies, except that it would be unnecessary, since the robots are already built into the cognitive and aesthetic faculties of an entire culture. MST3K assumes its audienes are so impotent that they can't enjoy even "bad" films first hand but can derive pleasure from them only over the shoulders of robots.

Chris Fujiwara (sounding a little prim), here.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(I don't endorse his opinion fully, btw, but hey dissent and all.)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Argh, that article. Did I ever want to smack up Fujiwara after reading it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fujiwara = fun hata x10,000,000

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

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Haven’t been able to tune in today — busy in the kitchen! But hope viewing is all going well.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:57 (four months ago) Permalink

Oh they've added a second YouTube stream & delayed it to the start, that's kinda awesome of them.

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 23 November 2017 19:15 (four months ago) Permalink

night of the blood beast on now

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2017 19:17 (four months ago) Permalink

preceded by Honeymoon short

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2017 19:18 (four months ago) Permalink

switched to alternate stream, def much much better

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:05 (four months ago) Permalink

great line up this year!

― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:57 (four months ago) Permalink

So I gather the big news is they got renewed. Still, strange that announcement has come so relatively late.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 November 2017 06:45 (four months ago) Permalink

good news either way

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 November 2017 06:47 (four months ago) Permalink

good for them! very cool that the bootstrapping of the first batch rolled into something that could keep going on its own. i actually still haven't finished watching the first batch though! to my fan shame. we just got busy around the house with other things and finding time that me and my roommate can share with it has gotten harder. but stoked to see what they do with the second batch, wonder if they make any substantive adjustments.

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 November 2017 13:42 (four months ago) Permalink

I caught Overdrawn at the Memory Back and Warrior of the Lost World. I don't remember watching them before. A good time was had.

― Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Friday, 24 November 2017 22:18 (four months ago) Permalink

i'm irrationally fond of warrior of the lost world... maybe it's the talking motorcycle. got funnier after i visited corviale and realized that nearly all the locations were just that, under construction. or sometimes nearby office buildings of the same vintage.

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 November 2017 22:26 (four months ago) Permalink

Warrior of the Lost World is so much fun, and that motorbike is hilar

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 November 2017 01:57 (four months ago) Permalink

"Awww, now how does he know they're bad mothers?"

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:07 (four months ago) Permalink

...and the bad fathers who love them

― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:08 (four months ago) Permalink

ANY FRUIT TO DECLARE

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:10 (four months ago) Permalink

MEGAWEAPON!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:26 (four months ago) Permalink

So our own tylerw posted this on Twitter, a nice little snapshot of a moment:

NYC, December 1967 pic.twitter.com/Mza9TLYnqS
— Tyler Wilcox (@tywilc) November 27, 2017

But I'm posting it here because note what is the other film on the bill with Dylan's _Don't Look Back_ there.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:54 (four months ago) Permalink

If only they could have gotten Dylan onto that party boat. Hijinks ensue!

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 November 2017 22:14 (four months ago) Permalink

They already had Little Richard!

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 27 November 2017 22:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Such a strange film. That one band covers a Ray Davies song that the Kinks might not have recorded themselves, I think.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 November 2017 22:25 (four months ago) Permalink

Anyway I'm just trying to imagine who would go see that in 1967 and honestly enjoy both films. (These days, yes.)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 November 2017 22:26 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The Avalanche episode is decent, though I agree with what was said upthread about their not always knowing the best way to fill the many blank spaces in action and incident that the film leaves. The best joke: "Tonya Harding in Sophie's Choice on Ice!

Avalanche itself is a truly dreadful film, btw. It has everything that I hate about the disaster genre--the sadistic deaths of random extra characters, the way these films always busy themselves with boring relationship melodramas as filler before the disaster happens--in addition to just feeling lazy and undercooked: the genre was obviously breathing its last gasps in 1978 (or, this first wave of disaster movies, at least) and this movie just felt like a quickie last-ditch cash-in on a movement that already running on fumes by the time this would have gone into production. Occasionally, I come away from some of these episodes with a tiny bit of affection for the films being skewered (say what you will about the nutso Cry Wilderness, but it is certainly trying to be...something), but this is precisely the kind of junk product that truly deserves the thrashing the show gives it.

― iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:46 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Watched the Starcrash episode today. My favourite thing about it was that I wasn't always sure if some of the Southern (???) robot's lines were actually in the film or just part of the riffing.

Whatever they paid Plummer, it wasn't enough.

― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 00:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"...halt the flow of TIME!"

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 01:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i love Starcrash. it is worth watching without riffs imo. if you decide to do so there is an extended international cut that is even funnier, as some scenes were cut short and there are additional lines/reactions.

also it's kind of funny that Star Wars has now ripped off Starcrash.

― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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