New Yorkers: Weigh in on the Swiftly Sprouting ASTOR PLACE "Luxury" High Rise

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It's still there, it's just behind it now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh shit. I have a picture of myself "holding up" that cube.

dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.kbcc.cuny.edu/pr/art/subway.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.tombeau.com/art/pics/nyc02.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.tombeau.com/art/pics/nyc02.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.shishido.com/IDC/IDC%2098-99/Astor1a50.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.shishido.com/IDC/IDC%2098-99/astorp7.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, that cube.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this what it's going to be?

http://www.artnet.com/magazine/news/ntm3/Images/ntm9-1-6.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.brunomoyen.com/nyo/jpeg/11.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post)

That's like the Statue of Zeus at Olympia as rendered by Christo.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, Alex, I *love* this thread.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Astor Place in 1947

http://www.nyu.edu/greyart/exhibits/rudy/images/32/32.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.interq.or.jp/snake/ken98/pic/oct12.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

http://home.earthlink.net/~qumy/photo.files/astorpl.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.qtvr-movie.com/qtvr/cities/astor.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The New York way: people answering the high demand for housing in 'interesting' neighborhoods by constructing large apartment buildings that completely destroy all the reasons why people thought those neighborhoods were interesting in the first place.

I actually wouldn't mind the building if it wasn't so fucking tall.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, the scale of the building is completely wrong for its surroundings...it dwarfs everything else!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's a photolog of the building, I think named The Sculpture of Living.

http://pith.org/core/related-astor/

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

alex can weigh in on this one too.

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2004/07/23/the_tower_of_bowery.php#more

I, like jbr, am addicted to Curbed.

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Bowery is chock'a'bloc of new, bizarre-o highrises...in fact, i was strolling up that avenue today...

http://homepage.mac.com/alexinnyc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-08-12%2011.35.12%20-0700/Image-96F9BD7CEC8D11D8.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.alltooflat.com/pranks/cube/cube50.jpg

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.visi.com/~johnr/btc/images/cbgb.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Bowery during last year's blackout

http://www.lockhartsteele.com/blog/archives/bowery.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Two more days...

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.youresource.com/evcube.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the Carl Fischer building, because they published quite a few of the books I used for piano lessons.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 13 August 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved when the did the rubix cube

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

That last picture makes me think the cube is sniffing the old lady to see if she would be good to eat

TOMBOT, Friday, 13 August 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

ihttp://home.earthlink.net/~qumy/photo.files/icecreamcar.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

http://peterkaminski.com/photos/astor-place-20021213.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

This is a great thread, gives a real sense of environ.. ya'know?

Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

they have a cube like that on broadway and liberty. there's always someone who has to take a picture making it look like the cube is about to fall on and crush them or something.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

What about the Mud Truck?

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahaha...guess that one's a bit too long.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

ROOOOOXXXOOOOOR!!!

http://www.chenguin.com/movies2.html

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

as for the highrise, like the Glen Canyon dam it must go
Carl Fischer shall be avenged !

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate the highrises. Since I live up in the east 80s, they pretty much dominate the landscape. But I mean, I know why they're there, because people wanna live here and there's money to be made. I'm surprised that the zoning right there allows for one, since they seem to be relatively strict about where you can put up towers. Astor Place seems like it should have some kind of historic protection or something. But zoning always confuses me.

And to make things even worse, I'm actually moving into a 16-story Midtown apartment building, because we need more space. It's not exactly my ideal living environment. But it does have laundry in the basement. And it's on a really ugly block anyway, near the Queensboro bridge, so it's not damaging any urban fabric. (excuses, excuses...)

spittle (spittle), Friday, 13 August 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone noticed that they're building a new westin at the corner of LUDLOW AND RIVINGTON?!?!?!? who the fuck would want to stay there???

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, Yanc3, L.E.S. is more and more Westin-demo worthy these days. Going out to drink on Ludlow Street last night only reinforced that feeling.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, but that block is a shithole! (aside teany, of course)(you went to that thing with lauren and aaron? i totally forgot about it)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

space that provides only enjoyment is "unproductive".

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i.e. I'm sure the developers thought about it.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Zoe of NYC Magic Garden fame writes:

In 1748, what is now Lafayette and Astor Place, was New York City's first botanical garden, established by a Swiss physician, Jacob Sperry, who farmed flowers and hothouse plants. A mile from what was then the edge of the city, Sperry's gardens became the destination of weekend strollers. In 1804 Sperry sold his gardens to John Jacob Astor, who then leased the property to a Frenchman named Delacroix, who transformed the property into the fashionable Vauxhall Garden, where New Yorkers could sniff flowers as well as eat, drink, listen to music (just like the buskers playing at the big black Cube in the 80s), and view fireworks and theatrical events.

By 1825, with real estate values skyrocketing on nearby Bond, Bleecker, and Great Jones streets, Astor cut the street, reducing the garden to half its size, which created Lafayette Place. Astor realized a great profit for the lots here, named LaGrange Terrace. Four of the original nine “mansions” remain as Colonnade Row - they're those Greek Revival townhouses housing Blue Man Group that you'd kill to live in. The other five were destroyed in 1902 to make way for an annex to Wanamaker’s Department Store.

In honor of Shakespeare's birthday, which is sometime around now, let's learn a little about one of the most infamous associations with Astor Place - the Astor Riot on May 10, 1849. Years after heated anti-English sentiment, NYC witnessed one of the most violent confrontations in the city's history - an angry mob of Irish and German workers and nativists (that's us folks!) descended upon the Astor Place Opera House during a staging of Macbeth, to protest the appearance of the English Shakespearean actor, William Charles Macready, a fancy aristocrat who was thought to look down upon Americans as "boorish and uncultured." Us? The protesters were there in support of Edwin Forrest, an American-born Shakespearean actor who was fiercely patriotic, epitomized the democratic ideals of America and did not want to be dominated by elite outsiders. Hmmm, sounds like the MAGIC GARDEN. Forrest was the first American-born actor to become an international celebrity and by the mid-nineteenth century was earning $2,000 a week. And he was idolized.

Here's how it started - the Astor Place Opera House was built in 1847 by a group of philanthropists at the juncture of Broadway and the Bowery. Broadway was a playground for the wealthy. The Bowery was lined with saloons and boarding houses. Remember a few years ago? Sigh. There was dress code at the Astor Place Opera, white gloves and silk vest, which offended the locals - in particular, the "Bowery B'hoys," a gang of Irish and German working class toughs who felt that such elitist standards violated the basic principles of the American democracy, and they pretty much hated the English and all things aristocratic. The Opera House served as a divisive emblem, which pitted the leisure class against the laboring class. One look at the Bowery today and this schism is still frighteningly apparent.

On May 7, 1849, the evening when the three leading theaters in the city presented Macbeth, the Astor Place Opera House was packed with Forrest supporters, who interrupted Macready the Brit's performance with yelling, throwing of rotten eggs, potatoes, and chairs, and all around misbehaving. After his performance, Macready announced that he would leave the city. But the upper class community of NYC was outraged and a petition decrying the antics of the Forrest supporters was signed by 48 prominent New Yorkers, including Washington Irving and Herman Melville (who is a distant relative of musician and vegan Moby, born Richard Melville Hall) and sent to Macready as well as local newspapers. Macready was promised protection and support and so he agreed to perform. Signs were posted around the city announcing his appearance in Macbeth on the night of May 10, 1849, but some of the rowdy Bowery B'hoys also posted notices, urging a protest during Macready's performance. In preparation, a police force of 250 was stationed in and around the Opera House. The doors and windows of the theater were closed and barricaded, and the National Guard was put on alert.

And so, on May 10, a volatile crowd of 10,000 and 15,000 people assembled in the streets outside the Astor Place Opera House. They began throwing stones and broken pieces of brick at the police outside, and as the police took refuge inside, the mob began hurling stones at the windows, destroying the flimsy barricades, and hitting the audience. The mob dispersed only when the National Guardsmen opened fire. It is said that 23 people died, and over 100 were wounded, including 50 to 70 police officers. It was the first time that American troops had ever fired on Americans. New York City and the nation were devastated. In the days following the Riot, rallies were held in Washington Square Park to protest the killings. The National Guard troops kept vigil at the Astor Place Opera House to prevent further violence. For three days after, the city remained under martial law (that's a state in which all civil laws, rights and liberties are suspended and the military has direct rule). Sort of like that comforting feeling we had during the RNC, when we were greeted on our daily commute by stern-faced, gigantic-gunned toting, camouflaged-clad youngsters on the subway and throughout the streets, all in the name of patriotism.

Remembered as the site of a massacre, the Astor Place Opera house never recovered. In 1854, the building was converted into the Mercantile Library Building, and then was home to the Chinese consulate in the 1920s. Later the District 65 Building, which housed the National Writer's Union for more than 50 years. I think it's now the highly respectable Kinkos and Starbucks. Starbuck was the name of the first mate in Melville's Moby Dick. Melville spent 19 years as a customs inspector on the New York docks. And this building, if it's not already, will soon be available if you want to spend 4 million dollars on a condo.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I read something snarky somewhere about how these condos are a great deal because it's the only place in the neighborhood you won't have a view of the "Sculpture For Living"!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Goldberger on Astor Place:

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/skyline/articles/050502crsk_skyline

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

What an utterly obnoxious building. I *want* to like it, I really do, and I can see that it's trying hard to endear itself to me, but I can't stop wanting to slap the living shit out of it.

happy fun ball (kenan), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

the more things change, the more things change

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

ah, nostalgia for the naivete of '04...

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

OH FUCK

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

lol

dmr, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought that was a skating rink for a minute!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

coopafeller ice emporium

dmr, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

what is it, the Fortress of Solitude?

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link

The folks involved with a new building at 51 Astor Place sent out a rendering of the proposed tower last night, and it seems architect Fumihiko Maki plans a building rather reminiscent of his planned Tower 4 at the World Trade Center (a.k.a. 150 Greenwich Street), with a corrugated facade and distinct angles. The site sits just across from the school’s signature 1859 Cooper Union Foundation Building.

Cooper Union has entered into a long-term lease for the site, currently an engineering building, with Edward J. Minskoff Equities, which will build and own the planned 440,000-square-foot mixed-use building. Studley’s Woody Heller represented Cooper Union on the deal.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 14 February 2008 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

This will look about a thousand times better than the Sculpture For Living.

I DIED, Thursday, 14 February 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2400/2264875399_92f7ee38b3.jpg

eater, Thursday, 14 February 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm still sort of bummed out that the shrouded, cloth-draped model of the sculpture for living as it appeared just before its unveiling wasn't the actual design of the building

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 14 February 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link

People suck.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i had to work in the show/sales room for the new phillipe st4rck building in gramercy yesterday. that place is bonkers. i stared at a huge rhino head all day and had to wear all black.

Yerac, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

waht the hell

Hurting 2, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I miss the old NY a bit and think the Astor Place thing is great.

gabbneb, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i stared at a huge rhino head all day and had to wear all black.

this will soon be compulsory at every workplace below 14th st and above canal

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link

people kept asking if the rhino was real, I had no clue and just said I didn't think rhino skin was that monochromatic. it was the most ridiculous temp job I think I have ever had. I got a ridiculous amount of money to sit at a desk with nothing on it and give people St4rck water when they showed up for their appts.

Yerac, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link

lol imperialism

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link


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