"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

I decided in the end that "The Fast Show" just starting on BBC2 would be more valuable for me culture-wise..... Meh.......

that's disappointing.

i don't know, bergman having occasionally questionable taste is something i don't care too much about, it's bergman recklessly insulting other filmmakers that seems a bit gauche. also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

"For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of— is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

He doesn't look very glamorous in that link.

RIP :-(

8( have just watched 'Persona' and 'Sawdust And Tinsel' and 'Journey into Autumn' and those two documentaries about him on bbc4 in the last couple of weeks. Seventh Seal has just been re-released in cinemas here too, i must find out where it's on.

rip

Damn. Damn. Damn.

was going to see transformers today but now feel kind of guilty.

actually, watching the film with an overwhelming feeling of guilt might be the most fitting tribute to bergman i can think of.

:-(

Robots Is Pissguys

RIP, though, really, and I'll go and see transformers

Ingmar Bergman R.I.P.

Gukbe OTM.

So, can somebody explain to me what made Persona a parable about the Vietnam conflict? I've heard this mentioned several times, and beyond the self-immolation fragment in the opening montage I don't understand the connection. Answers appreciated, this has been bothering me for some time and Film Four's Bergman season means its bothering me again.

The parallel is made by zealous film professors.

Yeah but based on what? It's always puzzled me, I can't even see it in a tenuous way

I'll keep this in mind if I stay up during Film Four's screening tomorrow night.

Doubt I'll stay with it...

No it's really gripping all the way through, esp once they get to the house, but Vietnam?

my Bergman prof didn't mention vietnam. Just a lot of stuff about the opening montage being a summation of the history of cinema and the rest the film discussed in terms of "psychological vampirism".

see now, that's what I got

Finally watched Seventh Seal last night...sort of a duty-to-the-classic-canon thing rather than because I really wanted to watch it. But I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

I saw it just now and it'sastoundingly brilliant. Fucking funny, sad, human, triumphant, frightening study of death and the unknowability of the divine. With a truly inspired ensemble cast, and that one scene with the eating of wild strawberries ("I will never forget this moment") which almost had me weeping for joy

so, was amateurist joking when he said he never saw a bergman film in 2004?

if he wasn't, i am really fucking stunned!

Persona has to be one of the 10 greatest, no doubt in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGFo2WI2aw

Witless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

anyone who mistakes bergman for being austere/cold/humourless should see this movie

<3 it

kinda reminds me of the muppet show

Oh dear god no song gets stuck in my head like Papageno!

I had no idea he did a The Magic Flute.

it is... wonderful.

please to see it.

I wonder what he made of his daughter Anna's acting career?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bergman

Bergman mostly appeared as a performer in several British sex comedies during the late 1970s including the title role in Penelope Pulls It Off (1975), Adventures of a Taxi Driver (1976), Intimate Games (1976), Come Play with Me (1977) and What's Up Superdoc! (1978)

"Anna Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

"as told to an ILX reporter."

"Shut UP, dad!"

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81bTOhaRUZL._SL1500_.jpg

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

So I finally knuckled down and watched The Seventh Seal. This film is such a piece of world cultural heritage it's really beyond criticism. But the above quote couldn't be more poignant, given the fires in Australia and Brazil, and other prominent climate changes. I suppose I really ought to take this to a politics thread.

Starting scenes from a marriage , my first bergman

was my first bergman too

Theatrical or mini-series version?

TV version of course

Are you watching his films in descending order of length? Fanny and Alexander next then.

I was going to ask what to watch next …

Here’s my review 2/3 way through
First third strong, delicious writing
Second third weaker. Where are the daughters?

I watched The Magic Flute today, found it hard to stay engaged with but was pleasant background

Second third weaker. Where are the daughters?

Otm.

i'm three episodes into the HBO scenes from a marriage remake, and i like how the daughter is actually a presence in the story, as opposed to being completely ignored in the original. not finding much interesting about it beyond that, though

Bergman Island begins as a droll, faintly precious Hong Sang-soo flick before going in an unexpected, delightful direction. Mia Hansen-Løve wrote and directed.

Pulled Dreams out of the box last night and really enjoyed it, as good as his early/"second tier" stuff gets. But I will always remember it for the little button at the end of Eva Dahlbeck's last scene with her lover, which got a huge LOL from me, maybe the single best joke in his filmography imho.

I like the film a lot, can't remember the joke

Just a perfectly staged & timed black-comic gag after an intense dramatic scene. (Hope I got the spoiler tag right bc I dont want to ruin it for folks.)

http://i.imgur.com/cAIEp5U.jpg

Ah, thanks!

to me the miniseries is just the guy from Star Wars and the lady from zero dark thirty having relationship problems no thanks

Damn I do want to catch the reissue of Cries and Whispers.

The new BFI trailer for it is excellent, but really pushes the horror movie angle (which of course it is and isn't, like so many Bergmans):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pbh0oTQXmE

Caught it at the GFT last week, it jumped from one of my least favourite Bergman's to one of my favourites

While filming "Winter Light" (1963), Ingmar Bergman felt Gunnar Björnstrand was too happy to play the lead character. So, Ingmar asked a doctor to tell Gunnar that he suffered from a severe disease. Gunnar was then put on medication & became very depressed. pic.twitter.com/0zGRfVoTbU

— DepressedBergman (@DannyDrinksWine) September 10, 2023